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Originally posted by patw:
My son just turned 21 and I have been promising him we would rent some full autos at our local range. I have never fired one myself, so I am looking forward to it as well and he's been waiting for 3 years since he found out he had to be 21 in order to shoot one. The one he really wants to shoot is a Thompson but I have my eye on the MP5. I have owned a couple clones in semi-auto and they were ok but to shoot one in full auto creates a cool memory.

I absolutely recommend it. Everyone needs to try it at least once, and it's much more controllable than many other full-auto platforms I've shot. I'm very happy to have had the opportunity to play...I just don't need a semi-auto version in my safe. I'd want to try that Thompson too while you're paying for it !

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A local University PD issues iron-sighted semiauto MP5 clones (Zenith IIRC?) to their officers as their patrol rifles.

Yeah, that's a very odd choice for that application. I enjoy a nice PCC as much as anybody, but for a patrol rifle I want a rifle.

We've had one show up at 45Cal's place at one of the sig shoots.

Here's the late great Vero8 with it.

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Originally posted by fritz:
And I'll take my Wilson any day over an MP5...

Maybe not on December 24th.

An AR type PCC just ain't right on December 24th.

Pictures from 2018. Dolf Goldsmith shooting and liking my MP5:

At a local range, you can rent an MP5 and/or a Kriss Vector.
The range officer mentors the shooter one-on-one. Familiarity with controls, then shooting several semi auto singles, a couple 3 bursts, and then full auto.

I like to watch from the behind right,
because the first time MP5 full auto shooters always turn and grin like a possum eating

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Originally posted by MG34_Dan:
Dolf Goldsmith shooting and liking my MP5

Outstanding.

I have about 7 of his books on various MGs. Excellent stuff.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by MG34_Dan:
Dolf Goldsmith shooting and liking my MP5

Outstanding.
I have about 7 of his books on various MGs. Excellent stuff.

Only 7?

Yep, but I think he only has 9, and one is an update/revision of an earlier one, while another is effectively a shop manual intended for machinegun builders/gunsmiths, so I basically have all of them.

I liked the MP5 I shot quite a bit. Very smooth, very low muzzle jump compared to the UMP 45 I also shot that trip. That was a choppah

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Originally posted by 1KPerDay:
I liked the MP5 I shot quite a bit. Very smooth, very low muzzle jump compared to the UMP 45 I also shot that trip. That was a choppah

Naturally. Rolled-delayed smaller caliber vs. straight blowback larger caliber.

Yall are calling it low muzzle jump and it is clearly pushing Vero8 up and he was a HUGE man.

The only FA weapon I have ever shot with very little muzzle rise was a suppressed 9mm Mac 11.

THe WORST muzzle rise I have ever shot was a non comped Tommy gun followed by a UMP40. Holy shit they wanted to rise. An M16 is manageable if you drop the sling and step on it.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:


The charging handle is dumb. Yeah, I said it. Sure, HK slap is cool, but it's an awkward motion and no LRBHO is stupid.

HERETIC!!! Burn him! Burn him for the blasphemy!!!

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Now that Beretta 1301 that I also got to play with last night...I do need one of those. Holy crap that's an awesome shotgun!

Huh. Maybe this guy is actually okay. Maybe we can all just get along, you know?

BURN HIM ANYWAY!!

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Originally posted by Loswsmith:

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Now that Beretta 1301 that I also got to play with last night...I do need one of those. Holy crap that's an awesome shotgun!

Huh. Maybe this guy is actually okay. Maybe we can all just get along, you know?

BURN HIM ANYWAY!!

Lol. It's funny how a certain platform can just strike a chord with you while another won't. If you'd asked me before the other night if I thought I needed another shotgun, I'd have said absolutely not. I felt perfectly well equipped with my 870 for HD and my A300 Outlander for clays. But that 1301...man, what a shotgun!

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Loswsmith:
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Lol. It's funny how a certain platform can just strike a chord with you while another won't. If you'd asked me before the other night if I thought I needed another shotgun, I'd have said absolutely not. I felt perfectly well equipped with my 870 for HD and my A300 Outlander for clays. But that 1301...man, what a shotgun!

I absolutely would not trade my LTT 1301 for a semi auto H&K MP 5 clone of any make or model. I might trade my eldest child, who is currently discussing with me his dream of being an F1 racer, for a full auto MP5 though. It depends on the day.

I agree with Marsy, when I got to shoot the MP5k he told me "Hey, let me push on your right shoulder to keep you straight, it will push you pretty hard". He wasn't kidding, full auto, even with 9mm, definitely throws back your supporting shoulder. Still fun as hell though, glad I got to do it, especially since it was unexpected.

The MP5K was our car-carry gun in Northern Ireland, along with the 20-round GP35 mags for our Browning pistols, and each of us would have one of each. Plus a spare beside the passenger foot well, with four mags.

Traffic lights were the favourite interception points for the PIRA, until one fine day it all went tits-up for one bunch, and all three were shot dead where they stood. Luckily they were all crammed, very untactically, into a double doorway of a closed down eatery, so it wasn't too hard to distribute Her late Majesty's ammunition in a useful manner, without endangering any of her more lawful [and peaceful] citizens.

Note that I was not involved with this event in any way.

We went to look at the bodies later on that day, for positive ID-ing - and noted that from the waist up, mostly, they were patterned like leopards, with black 'rosettes' 'decorating' them up to the tops of their heads where our team had used the three-shot burst facility with great gusto and verve.

One of them had fifty-two holes between his navel and eyebrows.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:


The charging handle is dumb. Yeah, I said it. Sure, HK slap is cool, but it's an awkward motion and no LRBHO is stupid.

Not dumb if you understand the G3 rifle design that this was derived from...

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Originally posted by PASig: Not dumb if you understand the G3 rifle design that this was derived from...

'zackly.

Seems like the Free world had TWO real choices at the time for a battle rifle - the FAL or the G3 - either did the job just fine.

However, many countries who had no experience with the G3 went for the HK smg - we did for our SF and a few others who were not exactly SF, UK police, for instance, with SO19 and others with specific roles. The MoD police, tasked with guarding installations, had them.

They were generally well-liked, too, not for the looks, which were 'challenging', but for the fact that nothing seemed to prevent them from working. I had a P9S until I had to hand it in, from 1977 to 1997, and although I shot it around two/three times a week with service 2Z ammo, it NEVER let me down.

I shot one of those at a rental range ~25 years ago. Until my ammo budget ran out, I was squeezing off 3-5-shot bursts and putting them in pretty much one large ragged hole. The closed-bolt operation makes it very controllable like that.