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| Peace through superior firepower  |
No, I don't think so. You'd be hard-pressed to find other optics as rugged as the ACOG. Perhaps the ELCAN offerings and Aimpoint's Comp M4 RDS are as durable, and maybe some of the high-end (2500+ dollar) tactical scopes. The question is, what are your needs in this respect? For my needs, I feel well-served by the Accupower. It's built for real-world use, by a long-established Japanese manufacturer, to Trijicon's specifications. If you're going to do some high-speed operatin' or mount your optic on a SCAR 17 which has a reputation of being very rough on scopes, or allow your rifle to be handled by angry gorillas, an ACOG will serve you well. If, however, you're a civilian looking to protect your home and family and to be prepared for unlikely though still possible contingencies, get yourself a reasonably priced LPVO and invest that extra cash in a second rifle. A pair of ARs is the minimum you should possess, for a number of good reasons. | |||
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| Sigless in Indiana  |
I have been dropping my 3 gun rifle into dump barrels with the same Vortex Razor on it for more than 10 years now. Good optics are quite a bit more durable than people give them credit for. However an ACOG is going to be on another level just by virtue of the solid one piece housing. As long as you avoid the cheapest of the cheap, a LPVO is going to be durable enough for the needs of almost anyone. | |||
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I have very little experience shooting a rifle with an ACOG. I have no direct experience with how an ACOG handles rough use, but I'm aware that they are quite rugged. Years ago, I dropped a Nightforce F1 NXS 3.5-15x that was attached to an 18-pound precision rifle onto my concrete driveway. It fell about 2 feet, landing square on the left turret -- illumination & parallax. The left turret cover cracked, a few small parts went flying. Sent the scope back to Nightforce. They replaced the turret cover and small parts. They thoroughly checked the scope -- no damage of any kind. I still use that scope on an AR15, and it's done well in competition. Many of my Nightforce ATACR scopes have traveled to competitions -- via plane and rough 4WD roads. All have held their zeros during travel. A few of my rifles have inadvertently fallen off the back of pickups and ATVs when bouncing across our rough pastures. They all held zeros (Nightforce and Vortex) and still function perfectly. This summer I drove over a Vortex PST Gen2 2-10x scope on an AR15 with my 4Runner, in a pasture. The tire went right over the receiver and scope. The Atlas bipod was badly damaged and I tossed it. The scope required slight re-zeroing for both windage and elevation. The scope and the AR are just fine -- see my recent posts about 3-round rifle groups. In my experience, quality-made scopes are pretty darn burly. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
That's another solidly-built Japanese scope. | |||
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Man, that's a good testimonial to the better-than-expected (from my perspective anyway) durability of quality scopes. | |||
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Even cheap scopes seem to hold up to abuse. Lots of vids with people beating the crap out of them. It usually takes a lot to get to the point of needing to send it in. There's pics of a NF 2.5-10 that has a bullet hole in it and it still functioned. | |||
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I'm not aware of a NF 2.5-10x that took a bullet. But I have one that has performed really well for me. I have seen the NF pic of a second focal plane NXS 3.5-15x that was hit by an AK round, right next to the elevation turret. The bullet damaged the erector, freezing the elevation turret at that setting. The serviceman covered the hole with duct tape and used the rifle for 3 days before sending it back to NF. I've talked with NF reps in a number of precision rifle matches -- they stated that the NXS 3.5-15x scope was essentially overbuilt to handle the demands of the government contract for that optic. My NXS 3.5-15x scopes are first focal plane -- a slightly newer version than the service scopes. They have a little better glass quality, with what is supposed to be the same rugged design. The glass on my NF ATACR models is better, and the ATACR models have parallax settings that are shorter, but I don't see getting rid of my NXS scopes anytime soon. | |||
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| Ice age heat wave, cant complain.  |
Going to be hard to find anything MORE robust than an ACOG. However, folks have been beating the shit out of LPVOs for a while now. Check out SageDynamics if you want to see, what I feel, is reasonable testing of LPVO optics and durability. Most folks I shoot with who also shoot LPVOs are using ATACR/NX8, Eotech VUDU, Vortex Razor and they seem to take a fair amount of abuse from regular running and gunning. I'm not aware of anyone, short of conducting silly torture testing, breaking or losing zero with the above options. And I'm sure there are plenty of other LPVOs that are as durable, I just dont have any personal experience with them. NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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| Sigless in Indiana |
100% The Trijicon you recommended is another really solid option built by LOW to the specs of Trijicon. Just like the Razors are built by LOW to the specs of Vortex. Two really solid options. | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
^^ Add the NightForce NX8 & NXS, and the Eotech VUDU to the list of solidly-built Japanese scopes made by LOW. I have the same Trijicon Accupower 1-4x LVPO that Para has and I'm a BIG fan, so much so that I've got plans to add the new(er) Credo LVPO to another AR. That said though, if I could afford it I'd really like to put a VCOG on that one.  ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 47....Making America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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| Freethinker |
The things we (I) learn here. Despite the fact that the Light Optical Works evidently makes high quality scopes for many companies, this was the first time I’d ever seen the company mentioned in a discussion, and can only wonder why. With how popular scope sights made by our Main Enemy (China—if it must be stated) are among American shooters and influencers these days, it seems to me that could be something to be stressed to possibly appeal to a few of us. ► 6.0/94.0 “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz | |||
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This setup has absolutely changed my outlook on the AR platform as a strictly close combat weapon. That scope alone makes this an absolute game changer. Coupled with that trigger. I can say, I WANT a long range AR platform rifle now. Dammit y'all. I wasn't planning on building another rifle!   He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
Yes, the rifle uses a Vltor A5 receiver extension and Vltor H2 buffer and a mid-length gas system- a smooth-shooting rifle. Bill Geissele's SSA and SSA-E triggers are approved for use by U.S. special forces, and that's quite an endorsement. | |||
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