Hey, congrats! I really like the DD PCC. Shot one last year that I fell in love with. Which barrel length did you go with?

If your approval time for the can is any more than a week, I’ll be surprised.

I love the PCC concept, someone was talking about 10mm for bear. Bear Creek Arsenal has .450 Bushmaster in 10.5 inch uppers I think if I am going into bear country that would be my option.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Hey, congrats! I really like the DD PCC. Shot one last year that I fell in love with. Which barrel length did you go with?

If your approval time for the can is any more than a week, I’ll be surprised.

I got the 8 inch pistol brace version. Thing is, the GF gets hers back in 12-18 hours. Mine always seem to take 30-40 days. Even when I had a TS security clearance With DOJ.

When the going rate was 8-12 months, I was 30-40 days. Now that it is measured in hours, I’m still 30-40 days.

I like everything about the little gun. I was burning seven yards bills in the neighborhood of 1.25 seconds. I like the Scorpion mags.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I got the 8 inch pistol brace version.

Very nice. That's the one I got to shoot last year. You think you're gonna do a Form 1 on it, or leave it as a pistol?

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Originally posted by jljones:
Thing is, the GF gets hers back in 12-18 hours. Mine always seem to take 30-40 days. Even when I had a TS security clearance With DOJ.

When the going rate was 8-12 months, I was 30-40 days. Now that it is measured in hours, I’m still 30-40 days.

Well, hopefully it's more like the GF's approval times this go-round. There really is no rhyme or reason to who gets a seemingly instant approval vs who gets to wait. It's so stupid. I really hope the original versions of the HPA and Short Act become law.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I like everything about the little gun. I was burning seven yards bills in the neighborhood of 1.25 seconds. I like the Scorpion mags.

Yeah, it's a sweet setup. ETS makes a rifle speed loader that works well with Scorpion mags. They also make a Scorpion magazine. I'm going to order a couple of their 40 rounders soon. I know their Glock and AR mags are trash, but people keep saying good stuff about the Scorpion mags, so I'll have some feedback on those before long. You might check Wikiarms and grab the best deal on a 10 pack of Pmags. Nothing but good luck with those. You're also into PSA AKV mags for cheap as well. I'm a big proponent of Scorpion mags for this kind of gun.

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Originally posted by jljones:
The DD followed me home and I paid the bar fine on the Mojave.

As the kids would say nowadays, "yeet".

Look forward to additional reviews.

Can was approved in 3 days. A new record for me.

Sweet! Yeah, everything I’m seeing on approval times lately is they’re the fastest anyone’s ever seen them, across the board.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Sweet! Yeah, everything I’m seeing on approval times lately is they’re the fastest anyone’s ever seen them, across the board.

I think back to when I waited 10-11 months for my first can approval and it makes me angry at the ATF.

It never needed to be like that.


If I recall correctly, they only started speeding things up because there were some rumblings from a court somewhere that they might be getting attention regarding intentionally slow walking the process to discourage people from getting into NFA stuff.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Sweet! Yeah, everything I’m seeing on approval times lately is they’re the fastest anyone’s ever seen them, across the board.

Approval times in under a week is certainly a breath of fresh air! Makes me want to get a 22lr can.

The DD has been a good fit for me. I was wary about getting my first PCC and there are so many good choices. The recoil impulse isn’t as bad as the internet led on. Today, I dunked it in the Ultrasonic and got it good and clean. I’m going to try a couple different lubes to see if one doesn’t gunk up as bad as the other. Ran 90 rounds of Bills through it today. Will shoot another 180 rounds later, and dunk it again and switch lube.

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Originally posted by jljones:
The DD has been a good fit for me. I was wary about getting my first PCC and there are so many good choices. The recoil impulse isn’t as bad as the internet led on.

I remember it being a smooth shooter. No telling what buffer and all that DD had it set up with at their booth, though. I think a lot of things get overblown. Internet and all that.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Today, I dunked it in the Ultrasonic and got it good and clean. I’m going to try a couple different lubes to see if one doesn’t gunk up as bad as the other. Ran 90 rounds of Bills through it today. Will shoot another 180 rounds later, and dunk it again and switch lube.

I've gone to making my own mix of Royal Purple 10W-30 and Lucas Red 'n Tacky. Couldn't tell you the ratio, I just threw a couple tablespoons of the grease in a jar and mixed in the oil until I got to a consistency where it would juuuust about pour like honey. It stays put, everything works great, and the fouling and shit wipes off nicely. I got a two pack of condiment squeeze bottles off Amazon and filled them up, applies nice and easy. Crazy cheap compared to the gun branded stuff, and you can mix it to whatever viscosity you want. The Red 'n Tacky is great stuff.

You get to try some subs through it yet?

The problem I’ve seen with Lucas red and blue (in Glocks and 556 guns) is that when it heats it gets the same consistency of tooth paste. That slight grit. On 556 guns, it’s not really a big deal, I just wet a rag or maybe scrub a little fresh in with a tooth brush and wipe clean.

On Glocks it eventually started making the triggers horrible so I discontinued using Lucas on them.

I have a bunch of Lucas from years ago when I was a sponsored shooter so I still use it on 556 guns for training.

The only 147s I have shot so far are GD G2s. They are just about hearing safe and cycle just fine.

Also to note- I had the same failure to eject malfunction today with the G47 that I have been having with the DD.

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The problem I’ve seen with Lucas red and blue (in Glocks and 556 guns) is that when it heats it gets the same consistency of tooth paste. That slight grit. On 556 guns, it’s not really a big deal, I just wet a rag or maybe scrub a little fresh in with a tooth brush and wipe clean.

Oh, you were using it straight? The red, specifically, has a really high adhesion value. Two parts pressed together with it really do not want to pull apart. I use it basically as a thickener for the motor oil. It's just enough of each to stay put, but lubes well. I may eventually arrive at the same conclusion you did, I guess we'll see.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Also to note- I had the same failure to eject malfunction today with the G47 that I have been having with the DD.

I think I missed where you're having issues. Ammo related, you think?

I thought I had a bad magazine. But, I now think it may be bad ammo

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I have 9mm AR. Helps with AR type shooting practice and a heck of lot cheaper to feed.
Also great when introducing AR shooting to people that have never shot an AR before. I have had people that thought ARs (think 5.56/.223) were evil and wouldn't shoot one. But if I get them the 9mm a couple of them ease up on the AR hate. A .22lr AR would probably do the same but I don't have one.

Have you looked into the CMMG .22LR conversion kits for the AR? FWIW we sell them at the store a bit over 200 dollars. Consists of the BCG and three 25 round magazines.

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Originally posted by jljones:
The problem I’ve seen with Lucas red and blue (in Glocks and 556 guns) is that when it heats it gets the same consistency of tooth paste. That slight grit. On 556 guns, it’s not really a big deal, I just wet a rag or maybe scrub a little fresh in with a tooth brush and wipe clean.

On Glocks it eventually started making the triggers horrible so I discontinued using Lucas on them.

I have a bunch of Lucas from years ago when I was a sponsored shooter so I still use it on 556 guns for training.

Are you talking about Lucas grease, or their oil?

I've been using their Extreme Duty gun oil (which is blue) and their standard gun oil (which is red) for years, and haven't encountered that. However, these days, I shoot far less than you do.

Though I see that Lucas also has red and blue grease, and specifically their red "sticky" grease is what P220 Smudge was referring to. I don't have any experience with their grease since I'm sitting on a veritable ton of Milcomm TW25b and Tetra.

Yeah, I didn't realize we might be talking about a couple totally different product lines. I'm moving away from Lucas white lithium grease because it oxidizes and dries up too quickly here in the desert. Red 'n Tacky is supposed to be better that way. So far, my testing is positive. I'm cutting it with this oil for where it's too sticky, and finding it to be an excellent lube so far.

Really, the color with oils and greases usually doesn't mean shit. They add dyes based on either customer request or to indicate a general intended use. This grease has a higher drip point than I really intend to ever get the internals of any gun I'm using it in, and resists oxidation pretty well. The color being the same as one of their gun oils is likely without significance.

Yeah, I didn't realize we might be talking about a couple totally different product lines. I'm moving away from Lucas white lithium grease because it oxidizes and dries up too quickly here in the desert. Red 'n Tacky is supposed to be better that way. So far, my testing is positive. I'm cutting it with this oil for where it's too sticky, and finding it to be an excellent lube so far.

Really, the color with oils and greases usually doesn't mean shit. They add dyes based on either customer request or to indicate a general intended use. This grease has a higher drip point than I really intend to ever get the internals of any gun I'm using it in, and resists oxidation pretty well. The color being the same as one of their gun oils is likely without significance.

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I thought I had a bad magazine. But, I now think it may be bad ammo

I went through a couple cycles of that. My impression so far is that even the best PCC's are a little more ammo sensitive than I would have expected.

I have only used their grease on 226 frame rails. The blue lube is what I used the most of. On AR bolts, particularly running suppressed, leaves a toothpaste like residue on the BCG. It still does the same unsuppressed but takes longer or you have to get it hot.

On Glocks, I noticed that the triggers seemed to gritty. I also noticed the ambi slide lock lever seemed to rub up and down as you started back on the trigger. I mentioned it my Glock rep and later to the Glock instructor at a MOS Instructor course. All stated they’d never heard about it before. However, the MOS instructor replaced all my internals for free.

I noticed that the AR bolts were gritty so when I got a new pistol, I used SLIP2000 exclusively. I’m above 18k, plus that many dry fire reps and people that shoot it swear that it’s an aftermarket trigger. I carried a 19 when I was in D’s. The trigger got horrible as I described. I dunked it in the ultrasonic and lubed it with Slip, and the trigger smoothed out. I’m a believer that Lucas was the problem.

I’ve still got Lucas in the range shed, and still use it on AR bolts when people show up with dry guns.