A dual-tubular magazine bullpup shotgun? They must be paying licensing fees to Kel-Tec for this.
MSRP is $1165.

www.smith-wesson.com/mp12

At some point I'll end up with one of these crazy shotty designs. I have no clue what I'll do with it except make noise at the range.

How about shelving the Buck Rogers gadgets and getting back to your roots of making quality revolvers and auto pistols?

The older I get, the more I loathe the concept of product marketing. Have 16 year old gamers taken over their marketing department?

Anyone who wants one of those awkward things should just get it straight from Kel-Tec.

I’ll stick with my old S&W 870 clone.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Have 16 year old gamers taken over their marketing department?

Probably yes, actually.

This may actually be the best option for when the Boston Dynamics robots end up coming for us.

Those forward vertical grips make me cringe. Only cause the story I read about a cheap one breaking off while guy was dumping rounds and basically shot off his hand.

Ah, yes! Brings to mind another Smith shotgun I bought based on the name: The 916. Major POS.
Then my department bought the 3000. It worked! But they bought the folding stock model and that was it for practicing with it.
How about a reliable, reasonably priced and well made tactical shotgun of a more conventional style? Then I buy one.

For your viewing pleasure.

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How about a reliable, reasonably priced and well made tactical shotgun of a more conventional style? Then I buy one.

Would you though, or would you more likely buy a proven Mossberg, Benelli or Beretta? I can’t see Smith taking any market share from the major shotgun players, I can see them selling this funky thing though. I mean sure it’s not gonna take the place of a well made conventional tactical shotty but there are a ton of folks who want a cool toy and this is basically a Keltec with hopefully better build quality and availability.

Is it for me?? Not really but it will sell.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
Those forward vertical grips make me cringe. Only cause the story I read about a cheap one breaking off while guy was dumping rounds and basically shot off his hand.

When I lived in RI, a guy who would come into the lgs did that. He lost part of 2 fingers. He had some no name vfg on his brand new KSG and said it happened after a couple of tubes of shells. I didn’t see how bad his hand actually was, it was all wrapped up when he came in. Never saw him again after that.

Well said! You share my feelings exactly!

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Originally posted by parabellum:
How about shelving the Buck Rogers gadgets and getting back to your roots of making quality revolvers and auto pistols?

The older I get, the more I loathe the concept of product marketing. Have 16 year old gamers taken over their marketing department?

Anyone who wants one of those awkward things should just get it straight from Kel-Tec.

Just want to congratulate smith and Wesson on their innovation. Only took them 10 years to make an almost exact replica of a KSG. They should have done SOMETHING different, maybe semi auto? I guess at least they don’t hype up their products for weeks… they just release them. Kimber, on the other hand, has something unexpected coming in 2 days

What's the point of this? Seriously? Pay more money for a copy of a Kel Tec? Why? Who's gonna do that because it says Smith & Wesson on it?

This is a dumb move.

*Edit - Maybe I’m being a bit harsh. There’s an ass for every seat, and I’m sure there’s someone out that who’s been wanting a more expensive, heavier, all-steel KSG. How many of them is the question.

Also, I’m a sucker for the Buck Rogers space-gun look. I’m a child of the 80’s and I’ve got a handful of them in my safe, and hope to add more. This one doesn’t do it for me that way. It looks like an overwrought KSG with extra stupid slapped on it.

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Also, I’m a sucker for the Buck Rogers space-gun look. I’m a child of the 80’s and I’ve got a handful of them in my safe, and hope to add more. .

Calicos?

It's never one that's been on my "gotta have" list, but they're interesting to me. Maybe less Buck Rogers and more Alien M4A1 pulse rifle type stuff. For sure, anything bullpup, but not so much these shotguns.

The KSG has always interested me but I just can’t get over the cheap feel of their guns. If I see the S&W12 in the wild I can easily see myself buying it.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
How about shelving the Buck Rogers gadgets and getting back to your roots of making quality revolvers and auto pistols?

The older I get, the more I loathe the concept of product marketing. Have 16 year old gamers taken over their marketing department?

Anyone who wants one of those awkward things should just get it straight from Kel-Tec.

Agreed. If they must build a shotgun, why not bring back the 3000? Remington isn't exactly competing at the moment and I imagine they'd sell like hotcakes.

The S&W Model 3000 pump and Model 1000 auto shotguns were manufactured by Howa Machinery of Japan, so, that's not going to happen.

I'm a fan of the 3000. In at least one respect, the 3000 is superior to the Remingtom 870 it copies, and that's the shell latches. In the Remington, these latches are long metal bars that must be staked in place. In the 3000, these latches are very short and work off of a pivot rather than being a long leaf spring. If you've ever had a shell latch come unstaked in an 870, you know what a pain in the ass it can be to get working again. Oh, and the 3000 is not susceptible to the types of shell lifter jams of the 870, the reason being this complete redesign of Remington's outdated latching system..

Back in the 1990s, you could find police trade-in 3000s dirt cheap. Here's one I picked up in the 1990s at a pawn shop. The poor thing had been neglected and had rusted internals. Back then, there were a couple of sources for 3000 and 1000 parts - GPC, and a place in Texas, and a third spot I can no longer recall. I replaced all the rusted stuff.

Hardchromed by Accurate Plating and Weaponry. Choate forend, Speedfeed buttstock. The bolt for the buttstock is metric, 8mm. The guy who founded Speedfeed used to keep a small supply of these bolts he had a local machine shop make for him, so I snagged a couple from him. But, things change and he sold the company long ago and now with Speedfeeed, you're dealing with whoever they hired to answer the phones. Too bad.





For a short time after S&W stopped marketing the 3000 and 1000, Mossberg picked up the slack, and in all my years of going to gunshows, I saw only one Mossberg-marked 3000, so, they probably didn't sell very well, but the Japanese make a fine shotgun. Buyers just didn't know enough about the quality of these shotguns. If they had, they might have left the Mossberg 500 on the table and picked up a 3000.

Wow that is a beauty! A lot of good info on the 3000, too, that I didn't know. I guess somebody is buying this plastic starship troopers stuff otherwise they wouldn't be selling it, but it means I'll still be shopping for old stuff off the used rack.