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Originally posted by sigfreund:
An interesting video about “explosions” at the ejection port of the Springfield Armory “Hellion” bullpup that could be a problem with the gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3FT5dxcItw

Lost consciousness after listening to him drone on after a couple of minutes. What’s the short version?

Almost certainly silencer-related, I'd say. My internet is too crappy right now to watch the video, but I gleaned from the comments that it was suppressed.

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Another interesting aspect of the discussion is the fact that the nations that do utilize bullpups still don't equip their most elite units with them.

Dredging up this comment from the OP, because an interesting part of the Ukrainian conflict has been that their special operations units seem to prefer bullpup rifles.

In addition to more standard rifles, they've been frequently photographed with Malyuk bullpups:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
What’s the short version?

“Explosive” fireball discharges occurred at the ejection ports of two of the rifles when fired. They were pictured more than once, but one is at the 0:41 mark of the video.

Supposedly they may have occurred without suppressors on the guns, but the vast majority were with the rifles suppressed. The narrator also advised that they were most common in cold air temperatures. No one seems to know why they occurred, but there was of course much speculation, some sensible, some not. Inspection of the fired cases showed that they were not out-of-battery or overpressure discharges.

The discharges were disconcerting, but not harmful if the ejection port is open on the shooter’s dominant side, but is believed to possibly be hazardous if, for example the right side port were open and the gun was being fired from the shooter’s left shoulder.

If that’s not enough, tough up and use the fast forward feature of the video to skip over the droning.

I withdraw my silencer comment. The explosive event may be slightly aggravated by the presence of the can, but it's an OSS can, and I know them to work as advertised. So, I don't think it is something caused by the introduction of the silencer; exacerbated, sure, but not caused. Certainly interesting, considering the gun's military history. I am sure someone at Springfield is at least slightly irritated by the internet social media firearms community rabble this video will cause. I'd be interested to see footage of other suppressed firearms ejection ports, and their flash signatures; no way it's a phenomenon exclusive of other designs. I think it goes without saying that the VHS doesn't suppress well! I have enough trouble with leftover gasses escaping the ejection port, let alone friggen explosions.

That photo clearly indicates how unfriendly they might be to left-handed shooters.

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Originally posted by vinnybass:
That photo clearly indicates how unfriendly they might be to left-handed shooters.

To be fair to the rifle, it is possible to configure it to eject to the left. That’s not something we’d be doing in the middle of a firing string in a competition or other event, though, and as the narrator in the video pointed out sometimes shooters do switch shoulders on the fly. We had a discussion here on the forum about the maneuver and a number of members said they believe it’s important to be able to do that. Even though I’m not a fan of the technique I’d like the option, and I’d be leery of a rifle that exhibited that problem.

Well, since this old thread was referenced in the new thread ...


The Kel-Tec RDB series of bullpups have nice triggers, downward ejection, mostly ambidextrous controls, adjustable gas blocks, use standard AR magazines,

and like the whole class of bullpups, they offer rifle barrel length ballistics.

RDB17 is 17".
RDBHunter is 20.5" and is shorter in height because no pistol grip. Use 20 round magazines, and take cover down behind the curb when fighting urban goblins. Or from the bow of your Zodiac when assaulting Somali pirates.

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Originally posted by KSGM:
I was always under the impression the far-out, C-clamp grip enabled better control because you're getting more leverage closer to the muzzle. The bullpup does the same thing, by bringing the muzzle to you, as opposed to you reaching for it. I have never tried quick lateral transitions with a bullpup, but I can't imagine it'd be worse. I have a borrowed AUG in my safe right now, but have been hesitant to shoot it, for it's lack of silencer; I may have to just get over that.

The light front end wavering when trying to engage a target at a longer range is an interesting thought. I don't know that it has much of an impact though, in a soldiering context. If I am engaging something from most any range outside CQB scenarios, I am going to utilize whatever cover I have, to brace myself, or just lay down. If I can get over my loud gun aversion, I'll certainly try that as well.

The c clamp grip was a fad promoted by guys selling training classes during the heyday of the GWOT.

The basis for my assertions? How Daniel Horner, the most dominant practical rifle shooter of that era, and probably still today, holds his rifle:




Bullpup rifles definitely have some advantages. I'm not sure if the advantages are enough to justify the real or perceived disadvantages. An M4 is a pretty handy rifle. And it has enough real estate on the handguard for all the lights and lasers that modern rifles are usually kitted out with for military use.

I have always wanted an Aug. Someday.

I don't get your point. Because what you've shown in that photo is a C-clamp grip...

It's just not the over-exaggerated Chris Costa-style straight arm/high shoulder "tactical turtle" version from the 2000s, which is what I'm guessing you're associating with the C-clamp term.



And as for C-clamp grip being just a fad among tacticool trainers back in the day, I'd point you towards this other thread where the claim of C-clamp being just an old fad was addressed, with plenty of evidence of it in use by current special operations units: https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0601935/m/5830074594

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

It's just not the over-exaggerated Chris Costa-style straight arm/high shoulder "tactical turtle" version from the 2000s, which is what I'm guessing you're associating with the C-clamp term.



And as for C-clamp grip being just a fad among tacticool trainers back in the day, I'd point you towards this other thread where the claim of C-clamp being just an old fad was addressed, with plenty of evidence of it in use by current special operations units: https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0601935/m/5830074594

The bold part, yes.

In most of the videos from the linked thread, the guys have their hands positioned to be able to activate their light/laser switch. Consistency is key so this makes sense.

I don't take cues from Lucas Botkin on anything. He's a youtube creation who has rage quit every major 3-gun match he attended because he was losing badly enough that he was afraid he was going to damage his brand.

Daniel Horner has won more rifle championships than anyone I can think of.