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I have done it a few times, under various training circumstances; thankfully I've never had to drag a real casualty. It had been years since I did training like that, until today. A planned training day with friends fell through at the last minute, so I decided to put myself through the "stress shoot" I had planned for us.

Tote two large ammo cans full of dirt ~30m, drag a duffel bag containing four wet sandbags back the way you came, fire five rounds at a target ~20m away from the standing position, fire five rounds from the kneeling position, move as fast as you can to a shooting position ~60m from the target, fire five from the standing-supported, fire five from the kneeling-supported, move to a position ~100m from the target and fire five from the standing position, and then shed your ruck and shoot the final five from the prone-supported. Said ruck weighs 50LBs, and you've also been wearing a chest rig with four mags and whatever else you've got on there.

Dragging the duffel was absolutely miserable. I got about 25% of the way, and had to take a break. At halfway I resorted to a crawling posture, and took about two more breaks before making it to the end. I am not the most fit person in the world, but I am no turd either. 6'1" and 165LBs, if that helps give you an idea of my build. I will smoke most people on an obstacle course, but I lack the power required for tasks like this. It was awful, and an eye-opener; I am glad to have done it, and will try to incorporate it more often moving forward.
 
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as a FF this is a regular training item. I'm old so its always a real struggle. I can't imagine doing it will maintaining any sense of situational awareness or responding with active defense. Now I get that by myself I shed 50+lb's of FF PPE gear but I'm going to add back my defensive gear and armour so the net isn't very much. good on you for trying.


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We've done it numerous times in training, with the dummy, and with live "victims". I've had to carry people plenty in real life, too, but thankfully never that far, and not during a fight. It's no fun, and will definitely limit your combat effectiveness. It's far easier with a buddy!
 
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IME, the dummy or, in my case, the duffel, is usually worse than a victim role-player. The role-player usually can't help but assist in a way. The dummy or duffel is pure dead weight, and more representative of an unconscious casualty. Having a weapon you need to manage while moving something like that is a huge hindrance as well. Especially when it can't be slung conventionally across your back, due to a pack.
 
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Weighed one of the sandbags out of the duffel. 50LBs on-the-dot; so, a ~200LB casualty. Not bad, except for one of the dudes I regularly train with weighs more than that with nothing on but his friggen underwear.

Also, I paced off the distance I dragged the duffel. Closer to 20m than 30m.
 
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IME, the dummy or, in my case, the duffel, is usually worse than a victim role-player. The role-player usually can't help but assist in a way. The dummy or duffel is pure dead weight, and more representative of an unconscious casualty.


Yep. We have a 175 pound training dummy that sees occasional use.

175 pounds of floppy dead weight is a lot different than a 175 pound roleplayer, or 175 pounds of rigid weight in the gym.
 
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I did it in a multi gun match once, it was an army duffle loaded down with lord knows what. Not as heavy as a full grown male, but still a decent weight.

The strap on the duffle was not long at all. I am fairly tall. So once I got going, I straighten up some. Once I got the speed up, the duffle can off the ground and passed me, flinging me around in a circle and slamming back to the ground. When I regained my composer and got going again, the same thing happened again. I was laughing like crazy, out of breath and getting dizzy. Thank goodness I hadn't drawn my pistol prior to dragging it or I'd have gone home for "breaking the 360+" Big Grin


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Did at Pat Goodales in WV. Railroad tie with a loop of heavy rope. The stage had you put hits on a steel target, them holster and retrieve the casualty and then put more rounds on the target when you got back to cover. I was younger then.


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As a FF we used turnout coats and bunker pants filled with old fabric and rubber fire hose.

That was around 35-40 years ago, doubt I could do it today though.


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As a FF we used turnout coats and bunker pants filled with old fabric and rubber fire hose.

That was around 35-40 years ago, doubt I could do it today though.


We have a "hose dummy" made from old fire hose and dressed in bunkers at our department. He's a heavy MoFo.


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Originally posted by shovelhead:
As a FF we used turnout coats and bunker pants filled with old fabric and rubber fire hose.

That was around 35-40 years ago, doubt I could do it today though.


We have a "hose dummy" made from old fire hose and dressed in bunkers at our department. He's a heavy MoFo.


Last FD I was with trained in basement rescues. Our facility (Novi) in the late 80’s was the old municipal building on Novi Road. Built in the early 50’s to house the physical plant the stairs were pretty steep. We got to drag ours up and out more that a few times.


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