What’s the purpose of the stippling on the frame, above the trigger guard. The only effect that I can think of is it makes the frame harder to clean.

So if a safety or a slide stop break, you have to get a proprietary one from these guys? How available are parts? I like to tinker and I like spares.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
It’s a cz75 clone which means it’s either SAO or you have to ride the hammer down to decock it. No decocker version as far as I can tell.

The original CZ 75 (and current update of the original, the CZ 75 B) are DA/SA with manual safety and no decocker, but the CZ 75 BD is DA/SA with decocker and no manual safety.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
What’s the purpose of the stippling on the frame, above the trigger guard. The only effect that I can think of is it makes the frame harder to clean.

Traction for your thumb

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You have so many beautiful, and wonderful, pistols, bac1023. I love your posts about them.

Excepting a S&W Model 39 safe queen that I haven’t shot in 30+ years, I have exactly one 9mm pistol – a SIG P226 X5 Competition, with Robert Burke action job and Hogue G10 black-gray checkered grips. Since it’s my only 9mm pistol I know it pretty well.

It’s a minimalist 9mm target pistol – no frame stippling for thumb traction. In fact, no external frame or slide machining that isn’t highly functional (for me). Well, with one exception – its front slide serrations. But that’s all.

Beautiful handguns! B&T also dropped the Mk something or other as an option to those interested in this pistol design. Gentleman I just bought another Sphinx from used the proceeds to buy a Fusion. Seems they make the all steel Redback and and blended lower frame similar to Sphinx SDP’s in the Fusion. Is there a different model with all aluminum lower frame?

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Originally posted by photohause:

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Phoenix Redback

The Swiss pioneered the slide in frame design with the P210;

I think you will find the French had the lead on this with the Modele 1935A.

In 1937 Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft (SIG) received a license from SACM to manufacture guns under the Petter patent. It was some years before anything other than prototypes were made, but eventually SIG produced the SP47/8, later renamed the P210, which was a 9mm pistol on the Petter design with a few significant improvements. The SIG P210 is considered by many to be the finest military pistol ever manufactured.
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Originally posted by Udo:

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Originally posted by photohause:

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Phoenix Redback

The Swiss pioneered the slide in frame design with the P210;

I think you will find the French had the lead on this with the Modele 1935A.

No the 1935A had the frame inside the slide. Sig changed it.

Is it optics ready?

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Originally posted by DaveS:
Is it optics ready?

I hate optics, so mine aren’t.

You can get them optics ready though.

Here’s a picture of the B&T version I have in stock. It’s a really nice pistol, and optics ready. I do think it left the factory with less than stellar laser engraving (I used to run a laser engraver).

I’m not sure if use it a whole lot, but I wouldn’t really be sad if it never sold...

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Originally posted by Dakor:
There's no way I'm lugging such large hunks of steel around. They would strictly be range toys, so why the rail?

Well, it is there so you can bolt on a muzzle weight so that you can take the recoil on this monster.

Obviously.

Is the frame itself comprised of 2 pieces?

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Originally posted by patw:
Is the frame itself comprised of 2 pieces?

Yes Pat, much like a 2011

that looks purty.

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Originally posted by photohause:

The Swiss pioneered the slide in frame design with the P210; the Czechoslovaks made it double stack DA/SA, and then the Swiss makes clones of said pistols.

"Pioneered"...no. I think you're forgetting how the Swiss borrowed that from the French SACM M1935A which SIG licensed.

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Originally posted by PGT:

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Originally posted by photohause:

The Swiss pioneered the slide in frame design with the P210; the Czechoslovaks made it double stack DA/SA, and then the Swiss makes clones of said pistols.

"Pioneered"...no. I think you're forgetting how the Swiss borrowed that from the French SACM M1935A which SIG licensed.

The design of the SACM 1935-A is closer to an M1911 then to a P210. The only commons the SACM and the SIG have is the concept of Petter`s removable hammer assembly. The slide of a SACM runs on conventional rails and the barrel is unlocked with two links instead of one. The slide of a P210 guided inside the frame and the unlocking mechanism is using the stiff SIG/Müller cam instead of links.

The CZ connection is valid. The locking / slide assembly is indeed a copy of the SIG/müller design for the P210. The SA/DA trigger of the CZ75 and its clones is a CZ concept.

The BNT MKII is nice. It isn't an a major departure from the sphinx. I needed to do quite a bit to bring it to the level I wanted when I bought mine.

Trigger reduction, firing pin spring, mainspring. For the love of all that is holy a god damn front sight that was larger. The original was as small as an old WWII bhp/1911.

My major dislike, No decocker. With this tiny spur hammer a Decocker would be very wise.

With red dot the front sight is moot for the most part.
Here it is next to my 365xl


And here it is in its original state. Anyone spy the front sight.




I like the BNT MKII, but it could have been better. BNT used its parts to cobble these together. That is a frustration to say the least. A tiny bit of fine-tuning by bnt would have made the MKII a star compared to the SDP.

SO, in short. if you are in love with it by all means. Otherwise save your duckets and buy the phoenix. Which, I am pretty damn sure is an improvement in every way.

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Originally posted by PGT:

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Originally posted by photohause:

The Swiss pioneered the slide in frame design with the P210; the Czechoslovaks made it double stack DA/SA, and then the Swiss makes clones of said pistols.

"Pioneered"...no. I think you're forgetting how the Swiss borrowed that from the French SACM M1935A which SIG licensed.

For the second time in this thread, the French gun did NOT have the slide inside the frame. It’s amazing how many people can’t seem to understand this.