I personally own a dozen P320s. I've owned them for years (my earliest is SN 315). They are all always loaded with a round in the chamber. I carry them very frequently in a variety of (quality) holster types. I was even carrying one (OWB) when I got hit while riding a motorcycle. The holster got completely trashed (cosmetically) from the road rash but the gun did not go off.
These lawsuits are absolute garbage. Stupid ass people doing stupid ass things with guns and then playing the victim hoping for a big payout.
This is where my signature goes.
November 26, 2024, 11:14 PM
357fuzz
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Originally posted by creslin: I personally own a dozen P320s. I've owned them for years (my earliest is SN 315). They are all always loaded with a round in the chamber. I carry them very frequently in a variety of (quality) holster types. I was even carrying one (OWB) when I got hit while riding a motorcycle. The holster got completely trashed (cosmetically) from the road rash but the gun did not go off.
These lawsuits are absolute garbage. Stupid ass people doing stupid ass things with guns and then playing the victim hoping for a big payout.
Weird they would have to do an upgrade then is it????
November 26, 2024, 11:20 PM
creslin
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Originally posted by 357fuzz:
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Originally posted by creslin: I personally own a dozen P320s. I've owned them for years (my earliest is SN 315). They are all always loaded with a round in the chamber. I carry them very frequently in a variety of (quality) holster types. I was even carrying one (OWB) when I got hit while riding a motorcycle. The holster got completely trashed (cosmetically) from the road rash but the gun did not go off.
These lawsuits are absolute garbage. Stupid ass people doing stupid ass things with guns and then playing the victim hoping for a big payout.
Weird they would have to do an upgrade then is it????
Which was done almost a decade ago.
This is where my signature goes.
November 27, 2024, 01:16 AM
357fuzz
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Originally posted by creslin:
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Originally posted by 357fuzz:
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Originally posted by creslin: I personally own a dozen P320s. I've owned them for years (my earliest is SN 315). They are all always loaded with a round in the chamber. I carry them very frequently in a variety of (quality) holster types. I was even carrying one (OWB) when I got hit while riding a motorcycle. The holster got completely trashed (cosmetically) from the road rash but the gun did not go off.
These lawsuits are absolute garbage. Stupid ass people doing stupid ass things with guns and then playing the victim hoping for a big payout.
Weird they would have to do an upgrade then is it????
Which was done almost a decade ago.
And the upgrade and/or change is on every P320 they currently make and will make….. where there is smoke there is fire.
November 27, 2024, 11:32 AM
nhracecraft
^^ An excellent example of consecutive 'Nested Quotes' there...Completely unnecessary line spaces (returns?) included in every post!
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November 27, 2024, 11:42 AM
Rob Decker
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Originally posted by 92fstech: It's basically a single-action handgun. Operating one safety demands an appreciation and respect for the consequences of that trigger being pulled, and the possible ways in which that can occur. It's not a DA revolver or a Ruger LCP...the action is much less forgiving.
I would not personally carry a P320 in a pocket. I would say the same for a P365, or a Glock for that matter. I would also not stick one in a soft-sided nylon holster, or any holster that would allow an outside object to encroach on the trigger. I do, however, feel perfectly safe with the gun on a belt in a properly-fitted kydex holster that protects the trigger and prevents it from being inadvertently pulled.
I mean, basically, this.
A light, crisp trigger is a feature, not a bug...but all my P320s and P365s have the frame-mounted manual safety. I went that way because I'm in the Army and the Army went that way, but on reflection, the triggers are light and crisp enough that I want a manual safety. It has yet to cost me anything and it adds one extra layer of safety in handling.
I figure my chances of letting my concentration slip in one of a million-odd reholstering strokes I'll do over the rest of my life is higher than the chances I'll miss the safety on a draw stroke in a lethal force encounter.
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November 27, 2024, 12:13 PM
Jupiter
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Originally posted by nhracecraft: ^^ An excellent example of consecutive 'Nested Quotes' there...Completely unnecessary line spaces (returns?) included in every post!
Almost as irritating as a multi-line signature in every post.
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November 27, 2024, 12:58 PM
hile
I don't hate the P320, and I've carried my M18 before. I do, however, prefer that my 320s have a manual safety.
If I were issued one without by an agency, I would work with it, but give my choice, I would choose a manual safety version.
November 27, 2024, 03:04 PM
iron chef
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Originally posted by sigfreund: If someone believes an "upgraded" P320 can fire without its trigger being pulled, please explain how that could happen, step by mechanical step describing in specific detail how the several parts of the gun could allow that.
This was part of the plaintiff's expert testimony in Jinn v Sig Sauer.
In the four P320 pistols that Villani physically examined, he observed that the MIM components were not finished to a tighter tolerance and exhibited rounded areas of excess material, termed 'rollover', which prevented full intended contact of the sear and striker overlaps.
...because of "the various sizes of internal parts and... wide range of motion between these parts... [the P320's] 'exposure to acute conditions (e.g., shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) may have a negative effect on its safety mechanisms and cause them not to work as designed.
...'rollover' (excess material) on the striker foot and a rounded edge on the striker stop wall, which he again opines can cause reduced contact between the contact surfaces of the striker foot and sear, allowing the striker to "walk off" the sear, and also allow the safety lock tab to "jump over" the striker stop wall.
The video below is long, but starting at 30:40, it goes into much more detail about the Jinn and Lang lawsuits as well as a theory about a mechanical flaw that creates conditions for spontaneous, uncommanded discharges.
November 27, 2024, 05:04 PM
SgtGold
We're getting our MIM parts from India they said...
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Originally posted by iron chef: In the four P320 pistols that Villani physically examined, he observed that the MIM components were not finished to a tighter tolerance and exhibited rounded areas of excess material, termed 'rollover', which prevented full intended contact of the sear and striker overlaps.
...because of "the various sizes of internal parts and... wide range of motion between these parts... [the P320's] 'exposure to acute conditions (e.g., shock, vibration, heavy or repeated drops) may have a negative effect on its safety mechanisms and cause them not to work as designed.
...'rollover' (excess material) on the striker foot and a rounded edge on the striker stop wall, which he again opines can cause reduced contact between the contact surfaces of the striker foot and sear, allowing the striker to "walk off" the sear, and also allow the safety lock tab to "jump over" the striker stop wall.
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November 28, 2024, 09:01 AM
iLift45s
So in Bert and Earnie terms what basically happened? I have an Sig 320 X5 Legion that I absolutely love! Would have no problem running that on my hip if I had too.
