Hey, I recently picked up the P938 Legion, to keep my P229 SAO Legion company. I love my P229, no complaints at all, shoots great, operates great, trigger is fantastic, etc., etc. It was my dream gun for a long time that I finally bought.

But I always wanted the P938 too, so I picked it up, and it's a great CC, it basically just disappears, no printing at all. I've only put a couple hundred rounds through it so far, it feels great, pretty amazing for such a small handgun, and I'm slowly getting the hang of it shooting at the 10 yard. It's definitely not in the same ease of accuracy as my P229 that's for sure... but I have high hopes for it with more time with it.

Anyway, my issue is with the mags, and wondering if anyone else has run into the same issue. The problem that I can tell is the way the mag positions the top bullet... it's angled, tipped up at a different position then the rest of the ammo in the mag (which is completely different from my P229). I assume it's to help feed it initially. But my problem is because it's tipped up, it's barely held in to the mag, just kinda barely hanging on to the rim of the cartridge, kinda loose.

Because of that, I've found when I load the mag with an open slide (after emptying a mag), it has a bad habit of popping out before it has a chance to load, jamming up crooked. It seems, the only way to alleviate that is to rack the slide closed first, then pop the new mag in (then of course have to rack it again).

Am I doing something wrong, or is this just a quirk of the P938, or maybe the mags are a poor design? And is there a fix for this, like maybe an aftermarket mag that holds onto the top cartridge better?

Thanks.

Yeah it’s a thing, anytime I’d have my spare mag in my pocket not in a mag holder I’d have a loose round in my pocket in the end of the day

Never been an issue for me. I usually tap the back of the magazine on a hard surface to make sure the top round is seated firmly in the magazine.. Loose rounds in a pocket sounds as if the magazine lips are not holding the top round securely. Maybe worth checking if the lips have expanded out of spec..

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Originally posted by limblessbiff:
Yeah it’s a thing, anytime I’d have my spare mag in my pocket not in a mag holder I’d have a loose round in my pocket in the end of the day

Yeah, it's a bad thing... a mag has one job (ok, maybe two), and the first is simply to hold the rounds without them falling out (and of course, the second is to feed them correctly).

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Originally posted by SteveR2012:
Never been an issue for me. I usually tap the back of the magazine on a hard surface to make sure the top round is seated firmly in the magazine.. Loose rounds in a pocket sounds as if the magazine lips are not holding the top round securely. Maybe worth checking if the lips have expanded out of spec..

Well, I have the mags that I bought the gun with, and extra mags that I bought separately, and they're all identical with the same problem... The top round sits at the top of the mag at a sharper angle than all the rest of the rounds in the mag.

If you compare it to my P229 mags, the top round sits at the same angle as all the rest of the rounds in the mag. It's held in place by the curved lip of top edges of the mag, and also sitting flush against the round below it.

Where with the P938, the top round is held in place by the curved lip of the top edges of the mag, but because it's at a different angle than all the rest of the rounds in the mag, that round doesn't sit against the round below it well, only the tail end of the round, the rim of the cartridge, is touching the round below it... So the only thing holding the top round in place, is the curved lip of the top of the mag. It's basically flopping out in the wind, and it doesn't take hardly anything to shake it free from the mag... a simple mag load into the gun and it comes flying out half the time. And as described by the other comment, if you carry a loose mag in your pocket, the top round will pop right out.

Here's a comparison pic of two of my P938 mags, note the angle of the top round, and the space between it and the round below it. Also note my P229 round, it sits at a less pronounced angle, matching all the other rounds, and sits flush up against the round below, unlike the P938 round.

How old is your P938, or at least, how old are your mags? Maybe SIG has changed the design recently (I just bought mine a month ago)...

wth? I'm trying to add two pics and I don't see a way to add photos unless it's already loaded on a server somewhere, you can only add a 'URL'?? Whoa this forum is as dated as it looks, it doesn't have an option to insert photos???? Or am I just not seeing it anywhere?

let's see if this works....

nope... that didn't work... And you can't delete a comment either??? oh boy...

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You can certainly delete or edit a post. Click the little folder icon with a double quote character (lower right). It pays to look.

Yes, photos have to be on a photo hosting site. Some are free.

Re: “Whoa this forum is as dated as it looks“
A snarky comment from a new guy seeking advice. We love this forum.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
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You can certainly delete or edit a post. Click the little folder icon with a double quote character (lower right). It pays to look.

Yes, photos have to be on a photo hosting site. Some are free.

Re: “Whoa this forum is as dated as it looks“
A snarky comment from a new guy seeking advice. We love this forum.

I looked for a delete button but don't see it anywhere, just checked again in the Edit function as well, but still don't see a Delete function...Maybe it's because I'm new and it doesn't offer a delete function until after a certain amount of time or posts... or I'm just blind (and I am too lol)..

Not trying to be snarky, sorry if I came across like that.... just saying the obvious (I'm an ex-programmer from the late 70's through to the early 2000's, so I've been around the internet and computers for just a bit, so it's hard for me not to notice)... and I wasn't saying anything snarky about the content or people posting here, this is a great site from what I've seen so far, just the old school forum code/layout, you don't see it too often anymore, but it does bring back memories when all forums were like this, where you had to post photo-links to photos on a separate public server.

You should see my old websites from back in the early 90's, I used to be so proud of them until I checked out some of my old code recently, got a good laugh at how old school it was.

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Sorry, it’s the little folder icon with the wooden pencil eraser stub, lower right.
“Delete message…?”

All you need to do is keep your mags in a pouch. I have some neoprene ones that go inside my pocket that are pretty good at keeping shitty 365 mags from rusting from being in my pocket for a day

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Originally posted by raticus:

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Originally posted by SteveR2012:
Never been an issue for me. I usually tap the back of the magazine on a hard surface to make sure the top round is seated firmly in the magazine.. Loose rounds in a pocket sounds as if the magazine lips are not holding the top round securely. Maybe worth checking if the lips have expanded out of spec..

How old is your P938, or at least, how old are your mags? Maybe SIG has changed the design recently (I just bought mine a month ago)...

My P938 was purchased new in 2015. I also have a spare mag in my pocket. Just pulled it out to check. The top round is in place, and securely held by the magazine lips. It is not flapping around, and held tightly.

Take your bitching elsewhere

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
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Sorry, it’s the little folder icon with the wooden pencil eraser stub, lower right.
“Delete message…?”

ah, thanks... idk why I didn't see it before, maybe it just showed up now that I've been on for more than 24hrs.. idk, thanks! Now I don't remember what I was trying to delete...

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Originally posted by limblessbiff:
All you need to do is keep your mags in a pouch. I have some neoprene ones that go inside my pocket that are pretty good at keeping shitty 365 mags from rusting from being in my pocket for a day

Thanks, but I'm not bothered so much about losing a round if I was carrying a mag in my pocket, like another post'er commented... I'm more bothered about loading a mag and the top round comes loose and jams in my gun (unless you were responding to his post)...

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Originally posted by SteveR2012:

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Originally posted by raticus:

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Originally posted by SteveR2012:
Never been an issue for me. I usually tap the back of the magazine on a hard surface to make sure the top round is seated firmly in the magazine.. Loose rounds in a pocket sounds as if the magazine lips are not holding the top round securely. Maybe worth checking if the lips have expanded out of spec..

How old is your P938, or at least, how old are your mags? Maybe SIG has changed the design recently (I just bought mine a month ago)...

My P938 was purchased new in 2015. I also have a spare mag in my pocket. Just pulled it out to check. The top round is in place, and securely held by the magazine lips. It is not flapping around, and held tightly.

Hmmm.. interesting. I wonder now if they did change the angle of the lips on the top of the mags at some point over the years...

You heard me. Take your ill-mannered bullshit and get out of this forum.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
You heard me. Take your ill-mannered bullshit and get out of this forum.

Whoa, nice guy. Who's the "ill mannered" one here? You're a total stranger, basically threatening me, telling me to leave because I somehow triggered your obvious sensitivity to what, that I attacked you? Did I say anything about you? Nope, not a word, why would I attack anyone? Someone already mentioned that my comment about the forum code was a bit "snarky" (that's a great word btw), so I apologized, I didn't mean it to be, it was unintentional. Hey, no biggie, no one got bent out of shape, why would anyone? That would be just so childishly silly.

Lots of forums and social networking sites that have code issues that people express their dislike for and no one takes it personally ffs, I mean, why would anyone? So you start personally attacking me? You know, attacking someone you don't know is pretty inappropriate (I'll just use that word). So if you want to continue your little cute playground bully act telling me to leave, well, that's your prerogative, but you should probably reconsider, it's incredibly unwarranted. I apologize again about my slip of words that some may have found objectionable, I hope you too can come to realize your mistake... takes an adult to admit their mistakes, and apologize, right? Hope your day gets better.

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Originally posted by raticus:
takes an adult to admit their mistakes, and apologize, right?

It does, but I have nothing to apologize for in this instance. You showed your lack of manners, so you've no right to complain about the response.

And I did not "threaten" you. If you consider my remarks to be threats, you've no right to accuse anyone of being over-sensitive, cupcake.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by raticus:
takes an adult to admit their mistakes, and apologize, right?

It does, but I have nothing to apologize for in this instance. You showed your lack of manners, so you've no right to complain about the response.

And I did not "threaten" you. If you consider my remarks to be threats, you've no right to accuse anyone of being over-sensitive, cupcake.

Oh ffs, stop with the lack of manners BS already. I offered you a chance to be the adult and apologize, but nope. Not sure what your personal issues are, but you might want to stop telling people what to do, people don't appreciate playground bullies... we usually grow up out of that nonsense back in 3rd grade.

Done with your petulant childishness, I came here to enjoy some Sig conversation, not deal with your immaturity.