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Originally posted by 12131:
I just don't get it. And, they are not the latest, because they have been around a while, on some 1911s as one example.

Flat triggers have been along for longer than modern firearms. The military museum in Paris has wheel locks from the 1600s, and some have flat triggers and some have curved. It's been a debate for way longer than any of us have been mulling it over.

On a non 1911 type pistol with a hinged trigger I prefer the curved trigger like the P226 standard trigger. My SIG 1911 has the factory shallow curve but 1911 does not have a hinged trigger which is one of the things I love about a 1911. I don't like the skinny curved trigger like the factory CZ SP01 has. It seems to me especially for a DA trigger pull that a trigger with some curve in it would be beneficial to minimizing finger slip on the trigger.

I prefer curved. My finger fits in the pocket for consistency. On a flat, hinged trigger, the leverage is better at the bottom than the top. Slightly different feel depending on where my finger lands when I press the trigger.

Huge difference? Likely not. The pocket in a curved trigger just feels more natural to me.

I run a Glock 17 as my duty weapon. The agency (federal) allows no aftermarket mods, other than sites. I’ve got 11k rounds through this thing and the OeM Trigger is smooth as silk, so i thought. I decided to instal an overwatch tac on my personal 19. All I can is “wow”. Shooting my duty gun now isn’t as satisfying. Damn you overwatch .

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Originally posted by BehindBlueI's:

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Originally posted by 12131:
I just don't get it. And, they are not the latest, because they have been around a while, on some 1911s as one example.

Flat triggers have been along for longer than modern firearms. The military museum in Paris has wheel locks from the 1600s, and some have flat triggers and some have curved. It's been a debate for way longer than any of us have been mulling it over.

So, you're flat trigger fan? Or curve?

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Originally posted by BehindBlueI's:

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Originally posted by 12131:
I just don't get it. And, they are not the latest, because they have been around a while, on some 1911s as one example.

Flat triggers have been along for longer than modern firearms. The military museum in Paris has wheel locks from the 1600s, and some have flat triggers and some have curved. It's been a debate for way longer than any of us have been mulling it over.

I agree. Nowadays, flat triggers are mostly found in classic target pistol disciplines and there it's personal preference.

I have one installed in one of my competition pistols and I like it, but in all fairness, it takes a fully adujstable trigger to get the most out of it and even then it's a matter of personal preference.

If the pistol does not come with such a trigger it's hit or miss anyway, then one is probably better of with a standard curved trigger.

Guess I'm a fan. Or at least an opportunist. Bought a Salient flat trigger for my Glock. Liked it enough to hunt one for the X-Six. Then another Salient flat trigger. Then two more.

Does it make them shoot better than a Strayer Voigt? No. Matched the trigger geometry with various connectors and wound up with the smoothest Glock with the best reset I've shot.

Haven't tried 'em. Though, they could be demonstrably better and yet the industry isn't gonna change the status quo over it. Also, of course "subjectively" they'll feel different/"weird" just like anything you aren't used to.

I'll probably try one out next time I upgrade the trigger in something, just put a PSAIT in my P226 so not that one. I can see how it would improve leverage and perhaps could be more forgiving.

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Originally posted by bobandmikako:
I generally like curved triggers over flat but I've had a couple of guns where the trigger was too curved or it just curved in the wrong place for me. I've had a couple of CZs like that where I swapped the trigger out for a less curved version.

I'm in this camp. The Apex Advanced Curved Trigger for the P320 is just about perfect for me.

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Originally posted by haul_n_horses2:
Which trigger are you using? I tried the Grayguns offering when it was first introduced and it did not work with my DAK p220 or p226.

Armory Craft.

The trigger has a polymer plug set into the front up near the pivot point to limit how far it rotates during reset. The plug and the extended portion it fits into must be modified to allow the trigger to work properly in a DAK pistol. Otherwise the trigger contacts the front of the trigger “window” in the frame and the trigger bar won’t reset. After some experimenting I just cut the plug flush with the metal (aluminum) and then filed down the metal seat until the trigger reset properly.

Note that with this mod the trigger rotates farther forward than when using it in a DA/SA pistol, but I don’t have any problems with it. All that modifying is of course not sanctioned by the factory, but I’ve done it successfully twice.

As I recall Grayguns announced something to the effect that developing a straight trigger that would work in DAK pistols wasn’t worth the time and effort.

I think it depends on if you use the pad of your finger or the joint area.

Just a guess but with a Target pistol I think you will find more pad shooters who like the flat triggers. If you use the joint area to pull the trigger a curved trigger seems to fit better.

Curved for pistol, flat for AR.

Why? I'm not entirely sure but it might have to do with the fact that my AR triggers are 2-stage. I typically do not tinker with my pistol triggers besides a 25 cent polish on Glock triggers.

I like them on most pistols. I just happen to find they feel better for me though I dont like the one on my shield 40. I started on a 1911 so perhaps that has something to do with it?

All fingers may be curved, but they don't all curve the same way.

My index fingers curve significantly. As a result, the contact point of the pad of my finger seems to move 'down' as I slowly pull the trigger.

On a curved trigger, I have to pay attention, or I am 'pulling' the trigger, and gun, down just before firing.

I feel that a flat trigger allows my finger to slide up/down the trigger as I pull it, without inducing as much downward force on the curvature of the trigger.

But, that could be in my head.


Test:

Make fists with both hands, and hold hands together.

Hold them together as if you were holding a broomstick.

Now, stick both index fingers out straight, and press hands back together.

You should feel solid contact along 'web' of both hands, as they are pressed against each other.

Your knuckles probably are pressed against each other.

Your index fingers should be pressed against each other- right?

On mine, I have solid contact along the web/knuckle and index finger- up to the first joint.

After that, the curve kicks in.

By the tip, there is enough space between my index fingers to fit the two prongs of a 110 electrical plug, without them touching skin [at the tips of my fingers].

I think that is close to 1/2". Or about 1/4" per finger.

When I 'make a pistol' with my right hand and look at the side of it, my index finger looks relatively straight.

As I pull the finger back [bending barrel of the 'pistol'], the tip drops- even when I try to pull the finger straight back.

The curve of some triggers is more curved than others. On those, my experience is that I pull shots low- and I don't when I change to a flat trigger on the same pistol.

But, we are all different.

I don’t care for straight triggers, but it’s not because I think they suck. It’s more about being set in my ways, I guess.

I had two old P226s that I decided to use as project guns. I gave them the “convert your West German Sig to Legion specs” treatment. I used the Grayguns perfect action kits in both, and bought two P-SAIT triggers for them. After completing the first one, I felt like it had a mile of take up in DA, so I ordered the only dual-adjustable trigger GG sold at the time...the flat one. It fixed my problem with take up, and I shot it about the same as with the P-SAIT, but it felt weird. I’m too lazy, inflexible, and/or OCD about it to use it regularly, so I put the P-SAIT back in because that familiar feel of a curved trigger was more important to me. When the dual adjustable curved trigger came out I ordered two and have been very happy.

If all of my guns started out with flat triggers I would probably be ok with that and not want to switch them all for curved triggers. As it is, I grade flat triggers as a solid “meh”.

I agreed with you until yesterday. I can get much better leverage at speed on the Apex flatty on the Gen5 Glock.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/7390004144

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Originally posted by 12131:
I just don't get it. And, they are not the latest, because they have been around a while, on some 1911s as one example. One would think that, if they are so great, they would be found on most guns. But, they aren't. And, I'm pretty sure it's not because of cost. Curve triggers still rule, and I don't see them going the way of the dodo bird any time soon.

The human fingertip is naturally curved. So, it's only fitting that the curved trigger works better, right? And, I'm not just talking out of my ass, either, because I've had the X5 and X6 Supermatch and Open with the flat trigger. The flat one simply feels unnatural. I'm not bashing the flat trigger. Just saying it's not for me.

So, flat trigger fans, give me your viewpoints. And, please, don't turn this into a pissing contest.

I feel the same exact way, I even got into a fight about it with Bruce Grey in here about it one day.

I think a flat trigger gives you no tactile feedback about having your trigger finger in a consistent position. It also doesn't conform to the shape of your finger so that less of your finger is actually in contact with the trigger. This will automatically make the trigger feel like it has a heavier pull everything else being equal.

Flat triggers are simply a stupid answer to a question nobody answered and are sold to a lot of guys that do more reading about gun stuff than actually shooting.

Now Bruce liked to point out that this so and so used a flat trigger and wins, and that so and so used a flat trigger and wins. Well, we all know that there are some so and sos that would be winning with if they were shooting with stock, right out of the box guns.

I put an APEX Flat on my 320 which definitely made me shoot this pistol better than the factory curved. I sent out my 320 for the upgrade with the original trigger, and when I got it back, I hated the new trigger feel and couldn't get used to it.
So, thankfully APEX gave me full credit on my old flat trigger (which won't work with the upgrade) and I ordered one that works with the upgraded pistol, the best part it turned out to be free!
I now am back to shooting my 320 very good!

This is the only pistol I own that has the flat trigger, all my other SIG'S have factory triggers, that seem to work well for me. So I guess it depends on the pistol....maybe because it's striker fired? Don't know.

I’ve tried a few and in each instance couldn’t stand them.

I need curved but it’s good that shooters have a choice.