I know it hasn’t been released yet.

Does it cost less than a Platypus? If not, then I don't see much reason to get one over the Platypus, unless their lead time is much shorter, if not readily available.

I have looked at them and they don't offer anything for me over the Platypus. Plus for the model I am looking at, it is about $800.00 cheaper for the Platypus.

The mags are good to go as we know! Is it true that this new pistol was designed around the Glock magazine?

yes. It comes with MecGar's new 18rd Glock 17 magazine. OEM Glock mags will also work.

starting price is $2500. LEOs can get $800 off base price.

i'm skipping it. Will wait to see if they release a gun based on the Glock 19 magazine.

It's the only reason I haven't picked up another Platypus. Hoping for a smaller version.

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Originally posted by am94pm:
I have looked at them and they don't offer anything for me over the Platypus. Plus for the model I am looking at, it is about $800.00 cheaper for the Platypus.

The grip should be slimmer than the Platypus since it's a 2011 style gun vs. a double stack 1911 like the old Para Ordnances. Besides the firing pin block, I do prefer not having a grip safety and a slide release I can trigger with my trigger finger. I've also heard pros and cons for the grip texturing on the Platypus while I've not heard any negatives with the Staccato HD, and if there is, there's many places I can send the grip to for extra stippling.

The Staccato HD is in the lead for my 2011 Commander I want to get, but I'm likely not in the market for a long while at the moment.

If it works, go for it.
If you have an excess of Glock mags around the house, go for it.
If you're not willing or able to expand your collection past Glock mags, I feel sorry for you, but go for it.

A 2011 with affordable mags is a good thing

It has a passive firing pin block and an external extractor. If both of these are executed correctly it is a much bigger change than the magazines. Having a gun that doesn’t go off if dropped and an extractor that doesn’t need adjustment all of the time would make the stacatto a real pistol.

My agency allows staccato, and about 15% of our guys carry one, despite that, about 80% of the armorer range repairs done are Stacatto extractor adjustments. If they do the external extractor like a S&W e series or sig 1911, great, If they do it like the old kimber external extractors from 20 years ago, don’t bother.

I’ve heard different things about the HD but not seen one in person. In the pictures it appears to have a more Glock like grip angle. I have no interest in that. They also recently released the CS and the 2024 C that have a redesigned smaller mag and grip with the original grip angle. I’m not sure about the drop safety, waiting to hear how it may effect trigger pull like the series 80. If they want to put the rest of the upgrades from the HD on the CS or C, I’d consider it. No interest at all otherwise.

taken from arf.

Hilton Yam has an initial thoughts video out for his Patreons. Here is a summary:



Entirely new design. Not a rehashed Platypus...

Virtually no parts commonality with the legacy guns...

Heavy testing both in lab and range conditions prior to production....
Aluminum mag catch that reportedly won't damage polymer mags...

Positive insertion stop inside frame...

Captured recoil spring with buffer...

SIG pattern front sight dovetail...

Firing pin block is based on S80 parts. Parts are machined and not stamped...

Adapter plates used for optics but mounting screws will go into the slide and not into the plate...

Does anyone know why they went with a steel frame over aluminum?

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Originally posted by buddy357:
In the pictures it appears to have a more Glock like grip angle. I have no interest in that. They also recently released the CS and the 2024 C that have a redesigned smaller mag and grip with the original grip angle.

I feel the same way, I have read a few people say that the HD does have more of a 2011 grip angle. But the size of the new C is what got me interested and will probably be my next purchase.

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Originally posted by xmod:
Does anyone know why they went with a steel frame over aluminum?

Maybe they wanted to do DLC standard on the slides and frames?

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Originally posted by buddy357:
They also recently released the CS and the 2024 C that have a redesigned smaller mag and grip with the original grip angle.

2024 C with full size grip on top of my Glock 45.



mags

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Originally posted by car541:

My agency allows staccato, and about 15% of our guys carry one, despite that, about 80% of the armorer range repairs done are Stacatto extractor adjustments. If they do the external extractor like a S&W e series or sig 1911, great, If they do it like the old kimber external extractors from 20 years ago, don’t bother.

Staccato is the patrol car that has to be in the garage every couple thousand miles. If you never drive it, it’s never a problem.

I wish they’d design one with Glock like reliability.

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Originally posted by jljones:

Staccato is the patrol car that has to be in the garage every couple thousand miles. If you never drive it, it’s never a problem.

I wish they’d design one with Glock like reliability.

Are you trying to say that this beautiful, older Jaguar isn't a good choice for my new Squad?

Its duties are mainly ceremonial, similar to me.

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Originally posted by car541:
It has a passive firing pin block and an external extractor. If both of these are executed correctly it is a much bigger change than the magazines. Having a gun that doesn’t go off if dropped and an extractor that doesn’t need adjustment all of the time would make the stacatto a real pistol.

Indeed.

I never understood why, when STI (now Staccato) developed the original 2011 they didn't go with an external extractor. While I appreciate the simplicity of the 1911 extractor, it is probably the single greatest, most frequent failure point in the platform.

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Originally posted by buddy357:
I’ve heard different things about the HD but not seen one in person. In the pictures it appears to have a more Glock like grip angle.

That seems unlikely. Wouldn't be a 2011 then?

Conversely: Not certain how they'd get Glock mags to work in it if they didn't?

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Originally posted by buddy357:
I have no interest in that.

Nor do I, if it's true.

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Originally posted by David W:
... I have read a few people say that the HD does have more of a 2011 grip angle.

In that case: I'm out.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

quote:

Originally posted by car541:
It has a passive firing pin block and an external extractor. If both of these are executed correctly it is a much bigger change than the magazines. Having a gun that doesn’t go off if dropped and an extractor that doesn’t need adjustment all of the time would make the stacatto a real pistol.

Indeed.

I never understood why, when STI (now Staccato) developed the original 2011 they didn't go with an external extractor. While I appreciate the simplicity of the 1911 extractor, it is probably the single greatest, most frequent failure point in the platform.

quote:

Originally posted by buddy357:
I’ve heard different things about the HD but not seen one in person. In the pictures it appears to have a more Glock like grip angle.

That seems unlikely. Wouldn't be a 2011 then?

Conversely: Not certain how they'd get Glock mags to work in it if they didn't?

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Originally posted by buddy357:
I have no interest in that.

Nor do I, if it's true.

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Originally posted by David W:
... I have read a few people say that the HD does have more of a 2011 grip angle.

In that case: I'm out.

As far as the extractor goes, you have to consider the historical context of the gun. I believe the very early 2011s were designed as a frame, grip, and magazine kit to use with your existing 1911 top end. Those guns were ALL internal extractors. The external extractor showed up here and there in maybe the late 1990s and early 2000s, but generally had a bad reputation. A lot of that was probably at the hands of Kimber, who went back and forth between internal and external extractors for years. Several other companies did externals, including Sig and Smith and Wesson, that worked better. The purists, however tended to prefer a good internal extractor. I think the cat is finally all the way out of the bag that a good external extractor beats an internal for a lot of reasons.