The gun has the 1911/2011 grip angle. It's the lack of a grip safety sticking out of the frame that's making it look more Glock-ish.

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Originally posted by DanH:
The gun has the 1911/2011 grip angle.

Yup. Staccato just confirmed on X it has the same grip angle as their other 2011s.

I guess I just don’t get it. Why not just buy a Glock and save thousands and have a proven workhorse?

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Originally posted by njauto:
I guess I just don’t get it. Why not just buy a Glock and save thousands and have a proven workhorse?

The same reason people in the 911 market don't buy a Camry to have a "proven workhorse."

Seems only natural that the HD will have a 2011/1911 grip angle. After all, the 80% and most Glock clone companies have already been using 2011/1911 grip angles in their own reinterpreted "Glock" designs. They've long since figured out how to design the magazine well of an upright grip to accommodate the angle of a Glock magazine. Staccato has the convenient good fortune to have others create that blueprint for them to follow with their HD.

It's also good (for me) to see that Staccato decided to go with a Series 80 setup in their HD. Seeing vids of Staccatos with their Series 70 actions going off in drop tests wasn't particularly endearing to me. While I do own Series 70 1911s, these days I'd rather buy a 2011 that is actually drop-safe. That's the only reason why I haven't submitted my order for the Platypus; recognizing that I'm getting older and that I'd rather not tempt fate given that I'm not likely to become less feeble in my remaining years left on this Good Earth.

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:

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Originally posted by njauto:
I guess I just don’t get it. Why not just buy a Glock and save thousands and have a proven workhorse?

The same reason people in the 911 market don't buy a Camry to have a "proven workhorse."

I don’t get the comparison. Does the 911 have and use Camry parts and design?

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Originally posted by njauto:
I guess I just don’t get it. Why not just buy a
I don’t get the comparison. Does the 911 have and use Camry parts and design?

Because a person with that kind of money isn't going to buy a Camry when they can buy a Panamera that's a better car in every way except cheap and reliable. It also likely it won't be his first gun or first car.

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Originally posted by njauto:
Why not just buy a Glock and save thousands and have a proven workhorse?

In my case: Because I dislike the look, feel, grip angle, and trigger on Glocks.

One of my best friends and I had acquired Glock 34s. Both for the same reason: Range toys. We liked 'em "well enough."

Then I caught the 1911 bug, which eventually led me to acquiring a Staccato R {*}.

Next time we were at the pistol range on his property up north I told him "You gotta try this."

First magazine he nods thoughtfully. After the second magazine he turned and looked at me with a big grin and says "I can see why you made the switch." Thought to myself "I know what's coming next." Sure enough: After the third magazine he turns to me and says "I gotta get me one of these!"

He did.

We don't shoot the G34s anymore.

My "Grail Gun" would be a Nighthawk Custom Commander in 10mm. Now you're talking real money

{*} The Staccato R is a single-stack 2011 that was made for only a brief while. I wanted it because, being single-stack, it essentially feels like a very-well-tuned performance 1911.

I'm just pissed because i bought the new "c" with the extended grip a few weeks before they announced the new HD.

I can pass on the co-witnessed sights in front of the red dot, and the missing grip safety. The drop safety is smart. But truthfully, I'm really just annoyed that they didn't mention the new model - at least I could've made a more informed decision.

To further rub it in, I was invited to test out the new HD at Shot show (or the day before) at the Staccato range day. Told myself it was too cold in the desert, too far, too many people, and I had to work. But I would've gone if I hadn't just bought an "older" model

This gun bug is one strange affliction. The only cure is to buy more

Well, from the looks of things, the gun itself is an A+, but the company is taking the bad lessons from Sig/CZ/Springfield on not having your shit together at launch.



What really gets me about this is their "direct mount" actually needs a $75 spacer plate that Staccato was too cheap to put in the bag, and right now, the only place you can get one is Dawson Precision. Otherwise, there's a hole in the slide that can gunk up the Series 80 firing pin block. I expected that the Mec Gar mags would need Mec Gar baseplates, so that isn't too much of a surprise.

Now I'm missing the "good 'ol days" of SHOT Show when someone would show something off, miss their "release date," and then release it when everything is ready instead of the current version of AAA Game Companies of putting out a prototype and then send out "patches" to make everything work.

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Originally posted by DanH:
Well, from the looks of things, the gun itself is an A+, but the company is taking the bad lessons from Sig/CZ/Springfield on not having your shit together at launch.

Not that I was going to rush right out and get one of these right away, anyway, but it's sounding like waiting until they've the bugs worked out would be wise?

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Originally posted by njauto:
I guess I just don’t get it. Why not just buy a Glock and save thousands and have a proven workhorse?

I don’t get it either. I understand race guns for premium dollars, but how exactly are these provably better than existing platforms that cost 1/3 as much. My G19, 226, 229, P365XL, P30L etc… have never had so much as a single failure of any kind. How can spending 3 times more improve upon that?

Are they a more accurate for the average LEO user? That is who their marketing is going after right? I shoot at a range every week where local LEOs, DHS, ICE, and other federal agencies train. I honestly doubt any of the guys I see could tell the difference.

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Originally posted by Abn556:
I honestly doubt any of the guys I see could tell the difference.

That’s the rub. For the most part, it’s agencies trying to buy skill. Most buy these guns to make the process easier. Works out great if you don’t shoot them a lot. If you do, they break. Again, not a huge deal if you have an armorers suppprt staff.

My opinion is that if you don’t have the fundamentals to shoot a bill drill clean in six seconds from the holster or deliver a credit card headshot in about half that time, you (and your agency) needs to buy ammo and more range time and not worry about a $3k pistol.

Looking out across the community, I get the impression that Staccatos are more of a status symbol than a sign of skill. Most SWAT teams can’t shoot a pistol at a high level anyways. Most teams shoot a pistol at a level that should be the skill your average patrolman should have in a perfect world.

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Originally posted by Abn556:
I honestly doubt any of the guys I see could tell the difference.

That’s the rub. For the most part, it’s agencies trying to buy skill. Most buy these guns to make the process easier. Works out great if you don’t shoot them a lot. If you do, they break. Again, not a huge deal if you have an armorers suppprt staff.

My opinion is that if you don’t have the fundamentals to shoot a bill drill clean in six seconds from the holster or deliver a credit card headshot in about half that time, you (and your agency) needs to buy ammo and more range time and not worry about a $3k pistol.

Looking out across the community, I get the impression that Staccatos are more of a status symbol than a sign of skill. Most SWAT teams can’t shoot a pistol at a high level anyways. Most teams shoot a pistol at a level that should be the skill your average patrolman should have in a perfect world.

From what I have witnessed you’re 100% right. More ammo and range time on a G19 other similar duty pistol would net them far better results than running some $$$$ race guns.

^^^ just because one owns a Ferrari, doesn’t mean they’re a race car driver.

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Originally posted by Abn556:

From what I have witnessed you’re 100% right. More ammo and range time on a G19 other similar duty pistol would net them far better results than running some $$$$ race guns.

There is a difference though. A single action trigger pull is superior to other trigger mechanisms. If folks are that worried about reliability of Staccato pistols then maybe they should buy SIG P226 SAO pistols? I think the argument goes both ways. The only reason why single action, cocked and locked carry isn’t the standard is because agencies are trying to buy their way out of appropriate training that would make officers comfortable with that style carry. If I can perform well with a striker fired pistol like a Glock, then I’ll perform even better with a single action. The reality is that regardless of the platform, there are trade offs. I take good care of my firearms and have zero reliability concerns with my Staccato or any of my 1911’s, etc. Are there other systems that have potentially higher absolute reliability - sure there are. However, for my needs I’ve never had reliability concerns with other platforms that I own either. I’m personally glad that there are options out there, and not everything available to buy is some sort of striker fired pistol.

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:
There is a difference though. A single action trigger pull is superior to other trigger mechanisms.

This ^^^^^

I was never a believer. Then I bought my first 1911—purely because I up and decided out of the clear blue sky that no honest-to-God American gun guy could call himself "an honest-to-God American gun guy" if he didn't own at least one 1911

(And a single-action revolver chambered in .45 Colt, but I digress.)

Damned if I didn't shoot that pistol far and away better than anything I'd ever shot before right out of the gate. It was like freakin' magic.

(Curiously: Even better than my SIG P210A Target. Go figure.)

The magic continued with my next 1911, the 1911 after that, and the 1911 after that.

Things got even more magical when I acquired my Staccato R.

Now I'm a believer.

I would agree that a good single action trigger is a crisper, better trigger. I trained on the DA/SA platform and shot it for decades. From necessity I have migrated to some striker pistols - G19, G20, 365, and 365Xl, but there was a training curve, especially on the 365XL flat trigger which took me a bit to get used to.

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Originally posted by jljones:

Looking out across the community, I get the impression that Staccatos are more of a status symbol than a sign of skill.

Word.