I’ve been intrigued by the 10mm Auto round for a long time, and may finally jump at one this year. In reading older 10mm discussion threads, the Glock 20 stood out as solidly recommended. For wanting a double stack platform holding more than 10 rounds, and costing less than $500, are there any other models to be aware of besides the 20, 29, and M&P models? And PMC and Magtech 180gr FMJ seems to be available for 40-ish cents per round…for less than a grand you can get a solid pistol and a case (1000rds) of ammo to really get a good feel for the round.

Are there any other models or considerations to be aware of for a new 10mm shooter this year?

I say Glock 20, ACRO, and an X300 Turbo. Magtech ammo is my go to range ammo, as the box posted velocity is the stoutest. My other range ammo choice is the Underwood range ammo when they have a large holiday sale, and I’m getting hardcast anyways.

If you’re not in a rush, it might be worth waiting to see if Ruger makes a large frame RXM.

Same price range, check out the G40.

Another vote for the Glock model 40.

They won't be under $500 but I absolutely love my Sig 320 XTEN and XTEN Comp. The ergos work much better for me than the Glock. Both have been 100% for me. The Comp with the shorter slide and lighter weight carries much better than my original XTEN. That one I typically carry in a chest holster.

Others to look at are the Springfield XDM pistols. There's also FN but they're about twice your $500 budget.

I have a Glock Gen 4 G40, the long slide 10mm. It’s a hoot. It’s a big gun, it shoots pretty soft with the slide mass being more noticeable to me than recoil. I like it so much, I’d buy the Gen 5 for the no finger groove grip if they make it. I’ve yet to put a red dot sight on it, which is good as they’ve made some big changes in red dots since I bought the gun.

It takes up almost all the space in the pistol pouch in my chest pack, a Hill People Gear Kit Bag, but is easily drawn. It Carrie’s well that way with a Kydex trigger guard holster/cover.

Factory 10mm is pretty soft. The most potent non special ammo I’ve found is the Sig Sauer 180gr FMJ. The American Eagle was pretty soft. The Sig ammo advertises 1250fps with the American Eagle at 1050. I’ve not checked it on a chrono it myself, but it’s noticeable when shooting.

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Originally posted by Creeping_Death:
For wanting a double stack platform holding more than 10 rounds, and costing less than $500, are there any other models to be aware of besides the 20, 29, and M&P models?

Where are you finding these for under $500? They're hard to find for under $500 used.

As Riley posted, most FMJ range ammo on the market from the major brands is underpowered. Federal, AE, Blazer, WWB, Remington, PMC, PPU, S&B... all weak. They're slightly hotter than 40S&W. Boutique brands such as Underwood and Buffalo Bore are great but expensive.

Best range ammo values are Sig Sauer and Magtech.

Magtech 180gr does 1200fps. Pretty good range ammo.

If concealed carry or a hiking companion is a consideration the Glock 29 is a solid option.

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Originally posted by 2000Z-71:
They won't be under $500 but I absolutely love my Sig 320 XTEN and XTEN Comp. The ergos work much better for me than the Glock. Both have been 100% for me. The Comp with the shorter slide and lighter weight carries much better than my original XTEN. That one I typically carry in a chest holster.

Have you tried hardcast in either of those yet? I would buy an XTen in a heartbeat if I knew they had that mag problem figured out.

To the OP, if I was in a Glock 20 budget situation I would opt for the Springfield instead. It seems to be pretty reliable but with better ergonomics.

Thank you everyone for your input. Iron Chef, I’m finding good used specimens on Gunbroker for under $500, both 20’s and 29’s. The all metal 1911 offerings look nice, but this would be something to rotate in the carry lineup…weight and capacity have me looking at the polymer frame options. The 29 with mag extensions or grip sleeves looks pretty close to a 19…a little more manageable to carry over the full size.

Good to know about the factory FMJ differences…I have 45s, but the 200gr hollow points pushing 1200+ fps really caught my attention. The 180gr 1200fps Magtechs look like good range rounds.

Glock. This year. Next year and every year.

I have a first gen G20 and it was tops when I bought it and it’s still tops now.

You just cannot beat a Glock with 16rds of 10mm and two more 15rd mags in a Galco Miami Classic shoulder holster.

They are so dependable, reasonably priced, cheap mags and parts availability that cannot be beat.

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Originally posted by Creeping_Death:
I’m finding good used specimens on Gunbroker for under $500, both 20’s and 29’s.

That explains it. Unless you're getting something for less than $420, after tax, shipping, & fees, you're still looking at $500+ through GB.

You used to be able to get a light-to-moderately used Tanfoglio Witness 10mm for around $500, but I'm not currently seeing any on GB. A full size Witness 10mm uses 14-round mags.

I've come across some used M&P 10mms in my area for under $500, but I'm still reluctant to try one, especially after one SF member's experience w/ his that he documented here.

I’m three guns ahead of you, in the last year. 10mm is worth the expense.
Some guns to consider;
-My M&P 4” has been flawless over several hundred rounds. It carries well, albeit you will find that a double stack full of 200-grainers is heavy.
-The Springfield Ronin is just superb. I only wish they would make a Commander-sized version with the 4-4.25” barrel. That would be the ultimate. Single stack is thin and carries very well, even with the 5” barrel.
-S&W 610 revolver. I LOVE this thing, moon clips and all. Handles hot 10mm ammo very well.


As for ammo, the S&B has been good range ammo for me. For woods carry there is only Underwood in 200 or 220 grain hard cast with the red coating. Those things are HEATERS.
Sig’s V Crown 180 grain hollow points are very good self defense carry rounds, as well.

Welcome to 10mm world.

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Originally posted by Browndrake:
Have you tried hardcast in either of those yet? I would buy an XTen in a heartbeat if I knew they had that mag problem figured out.

Underwood's 200gr hardcast is my standard bear load in both guns and both have been flawless with it. The only issues I've had with mags is getting the 15th round in is stiff. Occasionally chambering the first round can be finicky. I've found slingshotting the slide to chamber the first round rather than using the slide release to be effective.

My under $500 10mm purchase for 2024 was a Springfield XDM Elite OSP 3.8. I purchased it under the FirstLine (same as Glock blue label) program, so the usual street price is closer to upper the $500 range. It's about the same size as a Glock 19 and holds 12+1 or 11+1 depending on which mag you use. Mine has been 100% and is more accurate than I am.

It was not really a huge factor on my picking the Springfield, but it does have a fully supported chamber and standard rifling that allows shooting hard cast bullets. I find "meta" trigger to be marginally nicer that a standard Glock trigger and it's more flat faced if that means anything to you.

I buy the Magtech JHP 180's from SG Ammo for 22.95 for a box of 50 or $399 with free shipping for a case of 1000. I don't feel bad about carrying it and using it as range ammo at that price. I'm sure the actual velocity out of the 3.8 barrel is less than the 1250 listed on the box, but that's a fair bit better than most of the 10mm budget ammo I've seen.

Just noticed in my original post I left out the Smith & Wesson M&P in 10mm. Probably psychological on my part trying to forget that I owned one. I had a 4" and after 2 trips back to the factory, replacing the magazine springs with both Wolff and Springer Precision extra power springs, replacing the recoil spring assembly with a Galloway Precision unit, replacing the extractor with an Apex and polishing the feed ramp and chamber it was still unreliable. Would consistently jam on the second to last round, did not matter what the ammo, loaded rounds would stove pipe in the ejection port. Then there were also random similar stoppages of the same kind.

I loved the ergos, size and weight of it, but I was not comfortable carrying it. The 4" M&P's seem to be more problematic than the other models. I've got 2 theories as to the unreliability. First is there is not enough slide mass in the 4" model and the slide is moving faster than what the magazine can function with. I was surprised when I bought my XTEN Comp that holsters that worked for my standard XTEN would not work with the Comp version. The Comp's slide is slightly wider and taller than the standard model. It's not just a cut down slide and I think that is to keep the mass there. The other is the magazine design. The M&P 10mm mags look like .45ACP mags with a narrower opening rather than a deeper M&P .40 mag. The magazines for my M&P .40 has much longer feed lips than my 10mm did. My theory is the feed lips aren't long enough to hold the round allowing it to flip up vertically causing the jam.

10mm? two ways to go, Sig P220 or a 1911. However, $500 does not work.