jjones...

Thank you for validating my perspective.

This is exactly how I approach the issue.

I will probably never be the shooter you are, but I am doing what I can to get there. And trigger work, actions jobs, enhancement packages, etc. do help with me with accuracy, speed, and repeatability.

I was just worried that 4 lbs. would be viewed as too light. I know people that walk around with much lighter triggers, but I wanted to ask a group that I trust.

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Originally posted by bozman:
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The purpose of the lighter, cleaner, more predictable trigger would be for accuracy reasons.

IMO, you may want to think about the assumption a lighter trigger will help with accuracy. I don't really buy that, and I could be totally wrong.

Sure, a 14 pound trigger that feels like you're dragging a bike without wheels up a sand dune with razor wire really sucks, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking 3.8 pounds verses about 5 or 6 pounds.

My P320 Compact has just the Grayguns trigger in it and I think the pull weight is just at or above 5 pounds. The competition systems are frequently less than 4 pounds depending on the FCU. (I think mine was in the 3.6 range.)

I did not shoot many matches last year, but when I did, I ran my full size with a X grip modules with just the Grayguns trigger. I was pretty happy with that. If I had more time to spend training and dry firing, I would be able to "get more" out of the competition trigger.

Don't get me wrong, the competition system with the sear and springs is great. It's just at my current skill level I'm actually more accurate and just as fast - relatively speaking, cause I move slow as crap - with the trigger right about 5 pounds.

I watched a video once where Randy Lee (Apex Tactical) pointed out it's kind of nice to have a bit of weight to "prep into." I agree. I guess talking about super-light triggers is a bit off topic, but I can tell you I've seen students show up to class with race guns, with triggers in the 3.5 to 4 pound range (or less) and they just could not manage it. The could not "feel" what they needed to feel. Their accuracy was not good at all.

My current CCW is a bone-stock HK P-30Sk V1 Lite LEM.
For my needs, it's exactly what I want.
I also have a P30SKs, V3 with ambi safety, SA/DA and decocker. Its'added safety features are excellent.
BUT I will not carry a cocked and locked pistol, and the DA action on the 30SKs is LONG and HEAVY.

I also have a 9MM Shield 2.0 with a full Apex trigger system. It's got a great trigger that's great to shoot at the range.
But it does not have a thumb safety and has suffered from some QC issues that have been resolved.
But I still don't trust it 100% yet so it's not in my CCW rotation.

CCW Trigger weight is a tough balance between ease of use and safety concerns.

One current factory pistol I have has a very light trigger and carries a warning it's got a competition-grade firing system.
On range, I have had some inadvertant firings: All down range and still on target, until I got use to it and respected its' proper use: Sig P-210 A Tgt.

My Sig 226 has a Sig AEP, and it's a very good balance between target/match and CCW.
But it's too big for my use as a CCW.

Bottom Line:
I don't think a match grade trigger is a bad thing for CCW, but it may well require a higher level of practice and understanding what it is, coupled with as many extra safety features as you're comfortable with.
And I believe owners need to be very conscious of lite trigger jobs having the possibility of wearing-in even lighter and potentially becoming dangerous.

My favorite DA/SA trigger is on my Sig P226 that went back to Sig for an Action job and SRT. It is butter smooth and a great SA trigger.

I really like my H&K's with the light LEM.

While I rarely carry a 1911 (don't like a safety on a EDC) my Dan Wesson has a very nice 4lb trigger and it is very comfortable.

Two small asides. Upon recommendations I have tried to contact lazy Wolf THREE TIMES for work and they NEVER respond. Secondly, a famous 1911 shooter, who's name escapes me, visited our range on an open house. His completion gun had a 1.5lb trigger.

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Originally posted by bozman:

The purpose of the lighter, cleaner, more predictable trigger would be for accuracy reasons.

Yes it is, but it takes a lot of work and skills until one can profit form such a trigger.

It`s easier to hit a standard target @ 25yds with a 4lb trigger but a standard 10m competition target @ 11yds with a 1lb trigger.

The key is trigger control and the art of keeping the pistol on target while the trigger is pulled and the trigger action is moving, not the speed in the right moment.

A well defined light weight trigger can improve shooting when a certain level has been reached and results (group sizes) become consistent in the range of 4 – 5 inches @ 25yds, but it does not help when the very funamentals are ignored.