So it's official today the Swiss army choose the P320 as the new pistol. Number will be 140'000 pcs. It'not clear now wich variant was choosen.

It is a tradition of the forum to cite source of important information. Could you add the source link to your post?

I'm not the OP, but a Google search turns up this:

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/v...istol-model/90585688

^^^^ It’s not about how easy it is to do a search. People might not know, or they simply forget, this long standing SIGforum policy/tradition, so it’s a reminder to those who start a thread on news item to post a link to said news.

Also http://www.thefirearmblog.com/...-sauer-p320-44824375

If those guys are correct, the pistol will be made in Switzerland for Swiss military use.

Slukatr is a guest from Switzerland and is not familiar with many of the forum's rules. He will learn in time.

According to the linked article, "key production elements" will be relocated to Switzerland in accordance with Swiss policy. Basically, weapons formally adopted by their military must be made in Switzerland, as usual. I wonder what the extent of this will be, and if the US market will benefit from this change at all.

Those are not exactly glowing reports.
"Only the Glock G45 met all the criteria but wasn’t chosen."

I guess the Switzers aren't worried about "uncommanded discharges" or think their domestic production can beat any such fault.

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
Those are not exactly glowing reports.
"Only the Glock G45 met all the criteria but wasn’t chosen."

I guess the Switzers aren't worried about "uncommanded discharges" or think their domestic production can beat any such fault.

Here is the full text. I think its important
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/v...istol-model/90585688

"Only the Glock G45 met all the criteria but wasn’t chosen.
However, an overall armaments policy and economic assessment showed that the SIG Sauer P320 model had substantial advantages in relevant areas,” Armasuisse wrote.
The SIG Sauer did not fulfil one technical requirement and also led to “non-approval for troop suitability”. However, all safety-relevant aspects were assured. The manufacturer has now promised “binding” improvements."

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
think their domestic production can beat any such fault.

Ooh, ooh: I think you’ve got it.

I can’t imagine what it would be, but something, maybe increasing the width of the safety lock tab by 0.01 mm, SIG Sauer America offers that as an “upgrade,” and all those troubles are over.
“Hey, Chief, my SIG P320 went off by itself.”
“No, son, not possible because our guns have the Swiss Mod™. We had to get rid of our Glocks because of that ‘switch’ thing, but—praise Elvis—we can finally be confident that we now have safe P320 pistols. If your gun went off, you must have done something to make it happen, just like those discharges with the Glocks but which people knew better than to blame on the guns.”

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
Those are not exactly glowing reports.
"Only the Glock G45 met all the criteria but wasn’t chosen."

I guess the Switzers aren't worried about "uncommanded discharges" or think their domestic production can beat any such fault.

Per the TFB's version, "Armasuisse noted that initially (emphasis mine) only the Glock G45 met all the mandatory criteria and was classified as suitable for service. During the testing and evaluation of the pistols which included "intensive and comprehensive technical testing, a field trial and the review of logistical aspects" where "special attention was paid to the safe handling of the pistols." Armasuisse is quoted as then going on to say "The technical rectifications lie within realistic parameters and have been bindingly guaranteed by SIG Sauer."

I don't think any potential problems were, or are being, overlooked.

I also think we may be running into the technical limitations of machine translation, especially given the bit about "During the testing and evaluation" quoted above.

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Originally posted by OTD:
"The manufacturer has now promised 'binding' improvements."

I'm interested in learning more about this.

I wonder if they will be offered to other markets, like us.

I wonder how long it would take to have these made available for export.

Thanks for letting us know.

quote:

Originally posted by Jim Watson:
Those are not exactly glowing reports.
"Only the Glock G45 met all the criteria but wasn’t chosen."

I guess the Switzers aren't worried about "uncommanded discharges" or think their domestic production can beat any such fault.

Maybe the "uncommanded discharges" are just another American conspiracy theory thing ?

Stow it

Click here for the actual press release from Armasuisse (the Swiss federal agency in charge of procuring arms). The document is viewable in German, French, Italian, and English. Understandably, the English one is a translation and is the weakest in getting the meaning across.

From reading the French one (my Italian is almost as good, but my German is much worse), it appears the G45 satisfied all functional requirements as-is and that it was the only one to do so. No mention is made of why the SFP9 did not satisfy all functional requirements. The P320 was chosen instead of the G45 because it was deemed to be the most economical option over the planned 30-year period.

To secure the contract, SIG Sauer (bindingly) agreed to relocate manufacturing of the contract pistols to Switzerland and to fix what made the P320 originally fail to satisfy the functional requirements during initial trials. They don't get too specific about what that was, but they give "ergonomics" and "robustness of components" as examples. The rest isn't really much more than your usual government bureaucratic jibber-jabber.

Based on the implications of the text, I'd say that the economical differences probably stemmed from ensuring domestic (Swiss) manufacture of the contract pistols more than anything else. AFAIK, this has always been a prerequisite for federal arms procurement in Switzerland. SIG Sauer (unsurprisingly) already has manufacturing capabilities in Switzerland. The others do not.

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Originally posted by .38supersig:
I wonder how long it would take to have these made available for export…

They will be making these units for the Swiss military. Highly doubtful any will be available for their civilians, let alone for export.

^^^I agree. The only way we'll see any of these is when they are sold off as surplus many years from now.

So are Swiss P75/220’s about hit the resale market?