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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
Those are not exactly glowing reports.
"Only the Glock G45 met all the criteria but wasn’t chosen."

I guess the Switzers aren't worried about "uncommanded discharges" or think their domestic production can beat any such fault.

The Swiss look at the Austrians like red-headed step children, so no way they would pick a Glock.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by OTD:
"The manufacturer has now promised 'binding' improvements."

I'm interested in learning more about this.

Me too. But there is no information about it yet. No useful information can be gleaned from the current reporting. The only thing that has been confirmed is that the safety concerns can be dispelled and that the pistol is as safe as a pistol can be.

The way I interpret it (speculatively), it is a Swiss defaultism related to Swiss shooting culture, which plays no role anywhere else in the world. If it had been something dramatic, the pistol would also have failed the tests in Denmark. But again, this is all speculative thinking.

I’d like to see the contract particulars.
I’m guessing Sig has a non-compete clause barring the Swiss production from export or retail sale.

I wonder if the Swiss will still allow the purchase of pistols that get the “P” stamp?

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Originally posted by Shack:
So are Swiss P75/220’s about hit the resale market?

Those are the current Swiss pistols that the P320 will replace?

^^^Correct.

There are already plenty of ex-military P220 for sale. At least in Switzerland. Shouldn't be too difficult to import them into the USA.

I would like to be first in line for a surplus P-75. Might be 2-3 years before we see them in the US in any numbers. How many P-75 are still in service 100,000?

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Originally posted by ThunTiger:
I’d like to see the contract particulars.
I’m guessing Sig has a non-compete clause barring the Swiss production from export or retail sale.

I wonder if the Swiss will still allow the purchase of pistols that get the “P” stamp?

Non-compete with who?

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Originally posted by 4sigman:
Non-compete with who?

In this hypothetical case, SIG LLC in the US, would grant SIGSauer AG in Switzerland a licence to manufacture/assemble the pistol but would restrict distribution to Switzerland or the Swiss authorities to avoid comptetition within the SIG group on the world wide market. It's common practice.

I was thinking I'd maybe see a Pistol with scissors and screwdrivers and files and other stuff.

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Originally posted by LDB:
I was thinking I'd maybe see a Pistol with scissors and screwdrivers and files and other stuff.

Hey, if Mikov can do it with switchblades then why not?

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Originally posted by OTD:

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Originally posted by 4sigman:
Non-compete with who?

In this hypothetical case, SIG LLC in the US, would grant SIGSauer AG in Switzerland a licence to manufacture/assemble the pistol but would restrict distribution to Switzerland or the Swiss authorities to avoid comptetition within the SIG group on the world wide market. It's common practice.

Sure, but Sig USA and Sig CH have always been more friendly than that. I think there will be a small market of imported Swiss made P320's they'll be pointlessly expensive and I suspect 95% of them will go to members of this forum.

Licensing has nothing to do with friendly relations; it is simply a risk-mitigating measure to keep sales prices as high as possible and reduce taxes by declaring license fees as measures to reduce turnover. This method was already common practice at SIG with INDEP, FAMAE, Manruhin, Beretta, Hämmerli, J.P.Sauer, you name it.

It is highly unlikely that brand new Swiss army pistols, marked with Swiss army markings and counted as government property, will ever appear on the US market. This was already not the case with the P210 or P220. What was exported to the US was P-stamped surplus from private property. It is not known whether there will ever be P320 Montage Suisse pistols.

If there were, they would be marked for civilian use and exported to the US by independent dealers.

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Originally posted by OTD:It is not known whether there will ever be P320 Montage Suisse pistols.

If there were, they would be marked for civilian use and exported to the US by independent dealers.

If so, I wonder if bac1023 will get one. It is not a real fine gun by his standards but it will be unusual and rare in the USA.