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My Smith M&P failed for the last and final time today. Definitely not recommended.




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Posts: 11833 | Location: Eagle River, AK | Registered: September 12, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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"...I think I need a 10mm"

Yes, yes you do!

I have a few 10mm pistols. Four are 1911s, one being a commander size 1911 and one a long slide 10mm 1911, two are commercial SIG P220s in 10mm (not a GGI custom) and I've owned a Glock G20 and a Kimber Target 1911 in 10mm.

I've also owned a Smith & Wesson 1076, which was ported and a "commander" sized pistol, and 1066 which was not ported and is more full size. I also had two early, pre-CZ Razorbacks in 10mm, one very early, original, a numbered pistol, and one late in the pre-CZ history or right after the purchase of Dan Wesson by CZ. I've also owned a S&W 610, a post frame-safety version.

Of all the 10mm pistols I've owned, the ones I've enjoyed most are the SIG P220s, and the Dan Wesson Bruin, the long slide 1911. These two tame the recoil the best even with hot ammo. Not that I'm recoil sensitive, but there is a difference. The S&Ws were also easy shooting even with hot ammunition but aren't made any more. The S&W 610 4" also shot very well and I really enjoyed it.

Both the 1911s and the G20s are proven 10mm platforms and I'd say the P220s have joined that venerable group.

I haven't shot the SIG P320 XTen, but with the longer slide it might be more like the P220s than the G20. I honestly didn't enjoy shooting the G20, but I'd like to try it again and I think the long slide version would shoot better. However, the G20 is certainly a reliable, solid 10mm platform.
 
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My M&P 10mm in 4” barrel spent all of last weekend on my hip, hiking and fishing. Not too heavy, easy to maneuver with it. I covered about 6 miles in that timeframe.
Unlike 2000Z-71’s experience, mine has been flawless and shoots even the hot Underwood 220-grainers just fine.
For a woods gun, it works very well for me.
 
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10mm reliability = Glock 20.
 
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I checked this afternoon.
That S&W 610 is still in the display at LGS, looking out at me like a sad puppy.

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I support your situation all the way 110%. Everyone on the great Sigforum already knows 10mm will tear Superman a new asshole. That's from Para some years ago, so funny its impossible to forget. But I'm partial to heavy calibers, I used to shoot bowling pins at 50 yards with a speer 240 gr jhp 44 cal behind 24 grains of H2400. It was a S&W Model 29. That was a highly desired piece back then, and it was predictably dead nuts accurate. But my eyes were good then, when you're 17 you can see everything near and far and everything in between at the same time. So yea, I would LOVE me a 10mm if I was still buying guns, particularly if I was making day hikes. But fwiw, I'd find a platform you're already good with, to minimize the chances that you acquire nice 10MM gun and not be able to hit where you are otherwise capable of achieving.

And besides... we all agree that buying a new gun because of a fortunate brass situation you find yourself in is an excellent reason to pull the trigger. I bet you anything somewhere between most and all of us have done that, particularly for all of us new and old handloaders.

Looks to me like you're left with zero options at this point.




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I think it's calling to you. It needs a good home!
 
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Though the O.P. cited light weight and compactness as priorities, I would suggest the Glock 20 or even the Glock 40 over the Glock 29. The full size grip of the G20/G40 would offer better purchase in a stressful and quite possibly a one-handed shooting situation. The loaded weight difference between the G29 and the G20 is less than half a pound and less than three quarter pound for the G40. The longer barrel lengths of the G20/G40 offer increased velocity and energy over the G29 not to mention the greater magazine capacity. For the last 6 years, I have been carrying a Glock 40 MOS with a Delta Point Pro optic when I'm living at my U.P. forest camp. It is carried comfortably in either a Kenai chest rig or on the belt in a Don Hume H726 spring loaded partially open front holster. Aesthetically and in keeping with my appreciation for the 1911 design, I would have preferred a good quality 1911 in 10mm but the Glock has been completely reliable with all sorts of ammunition and can probably handle the higher pressure loads with less mechanical stress than a 1911.

I've enjoyed your camping and hiking reports 92fstech. Good luck with your decision.
 
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Not on your list but darn it if she isn't a good salesperson for the Ruger Wink

 
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Cosaint Arms has their Commander-sized 1911s available in 10mm with an aluminum frame: COS11 FTTM Flat Top Tactical Commander/Mid-Size

Kind of spendy, though, at $1800 for those options.



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Personally I'd suggest a S&W 1006 only because I have had one for years and really like it, even though I have not shot it very much. It unfortunately is no longer in production.

About 30 yrs ago, I had a Star Megastar and a Colt 1911 both in 10mm. Never shot them much either and ended up selling both to a shooting buddy who still has them.

Lately, I've been getting the urge to get another 1911 in 10mm. One of the main reasons for procrastinating, however, is a video in which Ken Hackathorn and Bill Wilson discuss the 10mm in the 1911 platform. What took me by surprise is that Bill said NO(!) semi auto pistol is a good choice for the big 10 for a number of reasons!!! Now I'm crushed... Now Bill is really knowledgeable in the world of 1911s and obviously speaks from experience. That video is out there somewhere and a google search will most likely have a link for it.

As great a cartridge the 10mm is, it shines best with full power loads (which is a main factor that may "do in" a lot of semi autos pistols), not "loaded down to almost 40 S&W power". Keeping that in mind, a revolver may be the best choice for the 10. Unfortunately, I do not shoot revolvers very well....
 
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Cosaint Arms has their Commander-sized 1911s available in 10mm with an aluminum frame: COS11 FTTM Flat Top Tactical Commander/Mid-Size

Kind of spendy, though, at $1800 for those options.


Yeah that looks nice, but way spendy....especially because chambering it in 10mm adds another $200 Eek!

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Personally I'd suggest a S&W 1006


That's a sore subject. I'd love one of those, but they have become stupid expensive. When I was young and dumb, I saw one (or maybe it was a 1076, I don't remember) in the case at the LGS for $350. Even then, it was a good deal and I was about to buy it, when I noticed a 6" Taurus revolver in .44 Magnum for the same money.

Remember, I said I was young and dumb...and who doesn't want "the most powerful handgun in the world"!? So like an idiot I bought the Taurus and left the Smith there. Stupid Taurus had timing issues and got traded away within a year or two, and I've always regretted not buying that Smith.

I do love revolvers (just not the ones made by Taurus!), but IMO the beauty of them is the ability to chamber stuff that makes the 10mm look weak, and I also prefer rimmed cases in my wheelguns. Moon clips are fine for the range but kinda fragile for carry.
 
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I've been a 10mm fan since the first. Beginning with a Bren Ten pistol, I've had I don't know how many 10mm revolvers and semi-autos. In semi-autos, I've worked my way through the aforementioned Bren Ten, Colt and Kimber 1911 types, Glock and several S&W 10mms. The favorites for me have boiled down to the, now out of production, S&Ws. I've had 1026s, 1076s and fixed and adjustable sighted 1006s. Never had a bad one. All rugged, reliable 10s that handle the heaviest 10mm loads without need of extra strong recoil springs, dual recoil springs, buffers, etc.,etc. My S&Ws just worked, and they didn't break. I realize 10mm S&W prices have appreciated, but haven't kept current on where they are now days..


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Lately, I've been getting the urge to get another 1911 in 10mm. One of the main reasons for procrastinating, however, is a video in which Ken Hackathorn and Bill Wilson discuss the 10mm in the 1911 platform. What took me by surprise is that Bill said NO(!) semi auto pistol is a good choice for the big 10 for a number of reasons!!!
I sure would like to see his reasoning as to why no auto-loader is a good choice for the 10mm Auto round.



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Yes, ensigmatic, it certainly threw me for a loop. It's not what I was hoping to hear from an authority on 1911s. If I had never seen that video, I would have never questioned the thought of a 10mm in 1911s or, for that matter, in any autoloader.
 
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For 10mm I went with the G29. Well, I went with a G29 slide on my G30SF, with the KKM 4.5" ported barrel.

It is accurate enough for me, and I have no significant issues controlling it with the +1 10 round baseplate installed.

I don't find this size enough of a worry to make me want to go buy a G20sf instead.

In fact, I'd be more likely to want a good 10mm 1911 than a G20.

I am in California, so mags over 10 rounds aren't going to happen for me, and I just like the feel of metal-framed handguns.

The G29 configuration is no issue for me though.


However, I run a 21# recoil spring assembly in it, instead of the factory Glock 17# spring assembly.


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As a lot of folks have mentioned, a G29 may be the solution for you. I considered that route, but they are just too blocky for me to be able to warm up to.

I owned a G20SF for a while and sold it, which I actually regret a bit.

When I tried to envision myself having to use a pistol against the dangerous critters I may encounter in the wilderness. I wanted reliability, accuracy, quick follow up shot capability, and it had to be something I could actually carry for a while without fatigue.

I ended up with a Dan Wesson VBOB in 10mm. Being an all steel commander length 1911 I think it hits the sweet spot for portability, yet it has enough weight to absorb the serious kind of ammo one carries a 10mm for in the first place. It also has a fantastic trigger. The bottom line is that I have confidence in it and my ability to hit my target with it.

I suspect that if I actually had to use my VBOB in say, a bear attack, I likely wouldn't have time to go through all ten rounds, let a lone the 16 I could have on board in a G20, so the lack of relative capacity is a non-issue for me.

I think this VBOB just might be the last gun I would ever sell. It is incredibly versatile. I may even add a .22 upper to the equation at some point.




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Not DA/SA but could be worthy of consideration. FN has a new version of the 510 out. This one does not have the threaded barrel or the wings around the rear sight.

https://fnamerica.com/products...0-series/fn-510-mrd/




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Posts: 11833 | Location: Eagle River, AK | Registered: September 12, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Don't we all really want a 10mm?




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Had a G29, good pistol, carried it for a while, then when I changed carry protocol to a lighter smaller round traded the G29 in on a G40 with MOS.

For a range cannon the G40 is a fun choice.
 
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