I purchased the MKIII Talo edition with the threaded barrel a few years ago. It has an upper rail where I slapped on a red dot sight. When I'm ready, I'll get a can for it.

This is pretty much what mine looks like.

https://www.slickguns.com/prod...-black-38399-shipped

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Originally posted by Ronin101:

...It is a thread protector for use with a silencer or a muzzle brake.

Uh oh...lol. My wallet is going to cry.

Thanks for the info, Ronin.

I'd like it better with an alloy lower. That polymer doesn't look so hot. Maybe it's better in person.

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Originally posted by P320Mac:
A bullseye pistol with an "under" rail can receive a MantusX transducer, which will provide a lot of useful information about what one is doing right/wrong for $150.

Mac, small correction, MantisX. Good point.
Joe

Joe L Many thanks for the correction. The MantisX is like having one's own coach. It can see useful things that even a coach standing right behind one does not catch.

Have a local machining expert working on the idea of a 1911 mount involving magazine.

Still think that I might learn something from the opposition to having an under barrel rail.

Thanks again, Mac

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Originally posted by P320Mac:
Is it just looks that cause the anti-rail reaction? Clearly, I am missing something.

Speaking in generalities based on numerous prior discussions on the forum about railed vs. non-railed guns, it does seem to be primarily a cosmetic issue. Many folks just don't like the looks of them, especially when they're put on guns that did not have them on previous versions, and the previous rail-less version is then discontinued.

Speaking for me personally, the looks of a rail doesn't bother me. Function over form, since these kind of guns are tools. Nearly all of my handguns have rails, and many of them have attached weaponlights.

My personal dislike of this particular underside rail was due to the fact that I didn't see any need for one on this specific type of .22 plinker. I personally don't use lasers at all (though I realize that there are some who do), and I won't be putting a weaponlight on something that will never be a defensive handgun. So the addition of this rail seemed unnecessary, for my purposes.

(And you have to admit, there are some companies who will stick a bunch of rails on anything, even when they're not needed or even useful, just to make it more "tactical" and attract the mall-ninja market. )

But in light of the MantisX, it appears that there actually may be a good purpose for an underside rail on a .22 training pistol. I'd never even heard of MantisX before. Interesting stuff. Here's a nice review: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.c...rms-training-system/

Still, as I pointed out earlier, there are options for both railed and non-railed Mark IV 22/45s. So everyone can get what they want/need.

JSK: Many thanks for assistance in understanding. I too could care less what a tool looks like and I care everything about how well it works/fits. It is a mystery as to why one would care about the looks of something one can not see when using it.

The review indicated seems good, however the software also provides a three color 2D view of the motion just before a shot (or dyrfire), at the time of shot, and a red streak showing the recoil trajectory. The first "page" provides information mostly of assistance to newer shooters, but the software also provides useful information for the more experienced shooter.
I saw one negative review that never got past the first page.

The new Ruger Mark IV with under rail might be useful for competitor who shoots 1911 not having a rail. Hope to learn if grips can be replaced with one-hand bullseye grips further to simulate 1911.

Thanks again, Mac

I'm waiting until they offer rails on the side of the barrel, like the quad rail AR handguards.

Sorry for resurrecting this ancient thread, but I've been toying with the idea of getting into a suppressor lately, and really think I want to start with a .22LR as it would be the most practical for my needs, and less expensive.

I'm a big fan of the Mk series...I have a MK II Target, and I swear Ruger worked some magic to make that thing as reliable as it is...it's the most accurate and reliable .22 semi-auto I've ever shot. In typical Ruger fashion, it also has the heft and build quality of a "real gun", and doesn't feel like a plastic toy like many .22 handguns. I'm thinking that a MK IV Tactical and a bolt action rifle of some sort would be the place to start as supressor hosts.

I watched a 9 hole review video last night about this gun ( https://youtu.be/eHgTC1ZPyc8), well, the one with the metal grip frame, which I prefer, and I was impressed. It brought up something I hadn't considered...according to them, the short barrel on these isn't just there to prevent the gun from being overly long with a supressor mounted...it also keeps even standard bulk-pack .22 subsonic, maximizing the effectiveness of the supressor without the need to buy more expensive and harder to find subsonic ammo. It also looks like the ridiculous rails can be removed, which would make this a really slick handling little gun, IMO.


Does anybody here have any first-hand experience with one of these as a supressor host? Are their conclusions in the video accurate? Any gotchas that I should be aware of mounting a supressor to such a short barrel? Will the MK IV platform be just as reliable supressed as it it unsuppressed, or will it need some tweaking to get it reliable?

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Here's a pic of a Ruger MK IV Tactical I set up specifically to host my Silencerco Sparrow. While I have since traded this one to a friend, it was (is) nearly Hollywood quiet with CCI 40 gr. standard velocity solids. I experienced 100% reliability suppressed and unsuppressed with no sonic crack. As you can see, I ditched the accessory rails and filled the moutning holes with factory blanks. My current host is a Ruger MK II Target with a custom threaded 4" barrel which also displays 100% reliability with no sonic crack when using CCI standard velocity solids. You should be GTG with either platform.

Awesome, thanks for the feedback. Where did you get the factory blank screws to fill the holes from the rails? I'll probably end up getting one of these eventually...it's a ways out at the moment as my discretionary funds are currently going towards finishing out my milsurp collection.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
Awesome, thanks for the feedback. Where did you get the factory blank screws to fill the holes from the rails?

They came from Wirthwein Guns. I believe you need five (5) total; three for the top rail and two for the bottom.

https://store.wirthweinguns.co...ghtr-fillscw-blu.htm

Awesome, thanks!

Hopefully those rails are just held on by screws.

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Originally posted by m.p.driver:
Hopefully those rails are just held on by screws.

They are. The upper Picatinny rail is reversible for use with or without the factory rear sight installed. The lower accessory rail is secured with two screws and is readily removable.

Mine is a MkIII, but the MkIV is arranged fairly similarly to attach the rails. This is what mine started as https://www.personaldefensewor...-Threaded-Barrel.png

I really didn't like this pistol at first with no sights, it was the first handgun with a red dot I had and I was terrible with it. That was a few years ago now, and it sat for most of that time.

I recently grabbed one of the Holosun K-size dots from DaBigBR and a Lobos Industries direct mount, ditched the rails, and I'm really happy with this setup now that my presentation is cleaned up to where I'm not spending all day looking for the dot with no reference. The mount filled the holes in the receiver, and the two holes in the barrel to mount the pic rail section I just left open.

Only complaint is that it's not a MkIV so it's wrong handed for me and a pain to break down to clean.

Shooting suppressed is pretty nice, but you'll get a fair amount of blast out of the ejection port. I opt for a bolt action rifle if noise is the primary concern.

https://i.imgur.com/cXsFyMQ.jpg

Well I appreciate the options. I like this for the aforementioned Mantis but also I think it would work well as a cheaper tactical training gun to pop a light and a dot on and run for cheaper than a sidearm. Or you can use it for serious if you channel your inner Mossad agent.

92, get a STAINLESS or Titanium suppressor that the user can take apart. I started with a Ruger MKIII 22/45 and got a TAC65 which is aluminum..it’s super light but I should have gotten a different metal constructed can. Cleaning the aluminum can is a monster. And if you follow the directions and do it every 2000 rounds you will be sending it back to the factory. When I got it back after paying to have every barrel replaced, I began cleaning it every 1000 and even then I had to bead blast the lead and carbon off.

Now I cleaned it once and soaked it in silicon oil and I can wipe it clean after each use and no worries.

And I still have the Ruger. I put a pac-lite barrel on it for the threaded and light weight. This was before Ruger breaded them or offered the lite version. In fact I have two of them.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
92, get a STAINLESS or Titanium suppressor that the user can take apart....

Now I cleaned it once and soaked it in silicon oil and I can wipe it clean after each use and no worries.

Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely keep it in mind. I'm brand new to all this suppressor stuff, but I'll have a few months to get some research in while I'm saving up. This is exactly the kind of info that I'm looking for while I try to decide what to order. I really appreciate it. Any suggestions for a lightweight, compact, user-serviceable dedicated .22 LR can that would pair well with the Ruger?

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
Any suggestions for a lightweight, compact, user-serviceable dedicated .22 LR can that would pair well with the Ruger?

For a durable, user-serviceable .22 suppressor I would check out the Dead Air Mask or the Silencerco Sparrow. Of the two, the Mask is much more effective at eliminating first round pop when paired with a pistol length barrel. Both are top tier cans which should provide a lifetime of enjoyment with proper cleaning and maintenance.