Might make a good car/truck gun. Wouldn't be too concerned about it getting stolen.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
It's not their property. They have no legal right to do that. The owner could have sued them.

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Originally posted by giz55792:
If SIG felt the gun was unsafe, why did they send it back and just melt it down?

Thanks BBMW

Bunch of grumpy gus’s. I think this is interesting. I think the gun is fine. I have seen manufacturers do this before. Specifically Kimber. CYA. Nothing more. They read about the over charge, saw some obvious damage, then wrote it off. Impending cracking? Hell, every Sig is “starting” to crack. It’s a play on words at best if you can’t point out a fracture. Zero chance they used any testing beyond the Mk 1 eyeball.

Please continue showing us the project.

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Hm, sounds like SIG made the right decision to me.

Considering the amount of time and effort that you've already spent to get to this point and what the realization of what hourly shop rates would be, for someone like SIG selling a new gun as replacement would be the cheaper, more cost-effective 'fix'. There are certainly financial realities that can't be overlooked. Just because something might be repairable doesn't mean that it's economically feasible to do so. Besides, even if the frame/slide/whatever only has minor damage that doesn't mean that SIG--and most critically their product liability staff--would be willing to let such a "repaired" frame go back out into the wild, since they would very much be on the hook if the repair wasn't done right, or if they overlooked and/or missed any further damage that might take it from 'minor' to 'uh-oh'.

It's just not worth the effort to them even if it seems like waste to anyone else. Business realities, and since they are a business...

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It's just not worth the effort to them even if it seems like waste to anyone else.

And that's where policetruck's fun begins! In whatever way (curiosity comes to mind first), it's worth the effort to him, and interesting to at least some of us.

Sorta similar: how many old cars are out there whose function can be had for a much lower cost (buying a newer car) than the cost of rebuilding them? And look at what an industry there is around car restoration! Reason: it's worth it to someone. Not everyone, but plenty of someones. There's joy in it, there's liability in it. There's good fortune, and there's financial ruin. Heck, that's a risk we take in a lot of our hobbies, right?

My opinion (and worth every penny you paid for it): If he's rebuilding it for the enjoyment of it, is confident in his own competence to do so, and is aware of potential failure modes post-rebuild, then I happily say, "Get to it, sir!" And I'll eagerly await seeing the results. Your opinions may be different....

personally i would not use it. If sig says it is toast, then the liabilty is totally on you.

That being said, i find this thread pretty interesting. there was a colt 32acp or 380 on here a while back that needed some micro welding because of an obvious crack. Everyone was for saving the gun with 80000000 suggestions on how to do so.

<shrug>

I find it very interesting how he has tested the weapon looking for cracks, bends etc.

Firing it is up to him.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Hell, ever Sig is “starting” to crack.

There. Humor and truth in one line.

I've had micro-fractures repaired in my P226. It continues to work flawlessly.

policetruck wants to make a bitchin ride.

It seems like an interesting episode.

Interesting project! Keep us posted!

Agree with VTHokey on this one. I would never sell such a weapon, but for his own personal use and the enjoyment of they project - have at it! I also find it interesting and would not discourage more of his posts as to the process and hopefully a range report, assuming nothing is found to be unsafe.

I wouldn’t even refinish it. I’d lube it with some damn grease and use it.

Sig would prefer that you purchase a new pistol from them, naturally.

Frankly I'm shocked by this. I can't believe SIG would allow a gun they deemed unsafe (with evidence to prove it) to ever leave the factory.
Many (most?) gun companies wouldn't allow such a liability. That's part of why they offer free/discounted replacements, to try to avoid you getting or demanding your unsafe gun back. Better to lose money now than lose money in court.

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Frankly I'm shocked by this. I can't believe SIG would allow a gun they deemed unsafe (with evidence to prove it) to ever leave the factory.
Many (most?) gun companies wouldn't allow such a liability. That's part of why they offer free/discounted replacements, to try to avoid you getting or demanding your unsafe gun back. Better to lose money now than lose money in court.

Agreed, you give someone a pistol at cost or something like that.

Oh well, it's SIG decision, I'm sure their legal department works overtime and have made the cost / benefit analysis known.

There is no warrenty at yhis point. Manufacturers are not in the business of giving product away for free when they have no obligation.

S&W offers nothing if one of their metal semi autos craps out. We has some with cracked frame rails and a lifetime warrenty from the first owner. Out of luck. No offer to fix. No offer to replace even at a discount.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
If you added up the hours you have spent to clean and inspect and then add the refinish cost, how much should they spend on this chunk of machined aluminum?
Also factor in that this should be represented as a gun with a history if someone resells it and how much diminished value might lower the value.
I'm sure they have a number in mind to supply a new frame. When that number is exceeded then it's trash. Just like a car the insurance company totals. Doesn't mean that someone with the skills and equipment can't put it back on the road. The dollars just don't line up.

I think you missed one of his points.

If the concern from Sig was that repairs would cost more than the frame is worth than that should have been what Sig put on the inspection report. To use your example, when a car gets totaled they don’t just tell you that it can’t be repaired. They show you how much the car is worth and how much the repair bill would be.

If it’s simply a matter of value vs. a repair bill then why not state that?

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There is no warrenty at yhis point. Manufacturers are not in the business of giving product away for free when they have no obligation.

S&W offers nothing if one of their metal semi autos craps out. We has some with cracked frame rails and a lifetime warrenty from the first owner. Out of luck. No offer to fix. No offer to replace even at a discount.

Not always true. Just this year S&W took care of me on a 4563CQB PC gun that the rail cracked on. The gun was well used, I was not the original owner and S&W was made aware of this. They couldn't replace the 4563 frame so they basically gave me a blank check for a pistol of my choice, they covered shipping to them for the 4563, asked for no payment of any kind in getting the new pistol to my ffl and then even offered to cover my transfer fee. Smith definitely earned a few more purchases from me after that level of customer service.

We don't know the full story of the Sig in question or Sigs actual response to the owner but some companies still offer and stand behind their lifetime warranty.

Update bump,

In regards to the update...
say what you will but happy wife = happy life. Been happy for 15 years this month!

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Update bump, say what you will but happy wife = happy life. Been happy for 15 years this month!

Congrats

That's a sad update. I'd get it running again and use it as a range gun...

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
If you added up the hours you have spent to clean and inspect and then add the refinish cost, how much should they spend on this chunk of machined aluminum?
Also factor in that this should be represented as a gun with a history if someone resells it and how much diminished value might lower the value.
I'm sure they have a number in mind to supply a new frame. When that number is exceeded then it's trash. Just like a car the insurance company totals. Doesn't mean that someone with the skills and equipment can't put it back on the road. The dollars just don't line up.

I think you missed one of his points.

If the concern from Sig was that repairs would cost more than the frame is worth than that should have been what Sig put on the inspection report. To use your example, when a car gets totaled they don’t just tell you that it can’t be repaired. They show you how much the car is worth and how much the repair bill would be.

If it’s simply a matter of value vs. a repair bill then why not state that?

Because some ding-dong customer would take the repair option & then you have to tell them that you won't repair it due to the liability of it possibly breaking & killing them.
The tech wrote something to justify saying 'Hell no, we're not touching that', I doubt he knew that his BS would be micro-analyzed by us experts. Probably could have gotten a very similar answer by just explaining to him what happened. Like someone said previously 'all rails are beginning to crack', this one just has some help.

I'm in the camp of check it out the best you can (and you seem to be qualified to check it better than most) and then shoot the shit out of it, If you are satisfied that it's good to go. I might hand it to a, uh, "friend" to shoot the 1st mag, but I'm an asshole like that