After reading some SF posts on the NAA mini guns, I decided to get one: NAA Pug .22WMR with ported barrel and tritium big dot sights. Have not shot it yet, but the fit and finish is excellent. Off I went to the intergoogle for carry systems for the dog and Etsy and Ebay is loaded with stuff for the gun. Including some great looking leather. Speedbeez even makes a speedloader for it! I look forward to some plinking with it. Bonus: The gun came with a steel, lockable security case, which beats a plastic box and cable lock hands down! Kudos, NAA!This message has been edited. Last edited by: YooperSigs,
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I gotta admit I’ve seen these thing in the lgs and always thought, “what idiot would buy these”? These threads though have gotten me intrigued enough to change my mind somewhat. Neat little guns.
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I don’t have a pug yet but have had the .22lr for many years, looking at getting a pug though. The Mrs. Has taken to carrying the .22 in her pants or sweater pocket at work. She is a manager at WM and while they aren’t allowed to carry, there are too many crazy peeps anymore so she said fuck it, I’d rather suffer the consequences if I have to screw it in someone’s ear and pull the trigger rather than be helpless. I can’t argue with her logic. They are extremely well made and machined little buggers.
There's no harm in having sights on these little revolvers but these are contact-distance pistols. If possible, put one through their neck or into their face.
I stick to the 40 grain Gold Dot exclusively for the NAA revolvers. It's nice and warm, and unlike most 22 Magnum offerings, the Gold Dot loading is made for short barreled revolvers. Hornady makes a 45 grain Critical Defense load but I have heard that these very short barrels on the NAA might not stabilize the heavy-for-caliber slug of this load. The one inch barrel of the PUG doesn't have much chance to impart spin on the bullet.
I do have a couple of boxes of the Critical Defense in 22 Magnum but I haven't bothered to test this load.
The 30 grain stuff out there will give you more velocity but penetration is the key factor and I'm not sure the lighter stuff has the momentum needed to penetrate to the vitals on even frontal shots to the torso.
Needless to say, whatever you choose to load your revolver with, test it thoroughly. I have one particular NAA I've put aside because I get frequent failures to fire with it. My Pug and Black Widow, though, have fired every time with Gold Dots.
And if you plan to actually carry your Pug, you will be changing out the grips to something larger, unless you're a masochist.
And make sure you lower the hammer into one of the safety notches between the chambers. Carried like this, your revolver will be drop-safe.
I was also mystified by the term out of battery used by NAA. Thats the phrase used in the online version of the manual. My owners manual says the non-recommended ammo may cause multiple discharges when fired. Which sounds like the "chain fire" condition from a black powder revolver. Anubismp: I researched the various models and felt that the .22LR models were too small for me and the 22WMR models just seemed to be the best balance of features, size and power. Of the Magnum models, the Pug was the most "practical" of the offerings.
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I was also mystified by the term out of battery used by NAA. Thats the phrase used in the online version of the manual. My owners manual says the non-recommended ammo may cause multiple discharges when fired. Which sounds like the "chain fire" condition from a black powder revolver.
Well that's confidence inspiring (DEFINITELY NOT). It's one thing to buy a gun and the manufacturer recommends not using certain ammo brands because those don't run reliably. It's a fair bit more serious when they recommend not using certain ammo brands because those might blow apart your hands. Then one can't but wonder WHY those brands are so susceptible to such simultaneous chamber discharges, and whether NAA has actually tested to identify ALL brands and lines of the ammo that could do the same.
-MG
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Originally posted by YooperSigs: I was also mystified by the term out of battery used by NAA. Thats the phrase used in the online version of the manual. My owners manual says the non-recommended ammo may cause multiple discharges when fired. Which sounds like the "chain fire" condition from a black powder revolver.
In that case, the term is probably being used correctly, as they are saying that chambers not lined up with the barrel may discharge.
The NAA website would indicate that the only non-recommended WMR ammo is made in the Philippines. They have listed several other brands (American made) they have ballistically tested. Just a guess, but it may be due to a thinner than normal case (or overly sensitive primer compound) that slams against the frame on recoil and discharges. Cant think of anything else that would cause a multiple discharge.
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The North American Arms mini revolvers have been made for decades. Any defect in the design would have been identified long ago. Even with the increased recoil due to the very light weight of these tiny revolvers, it would never have occurred to me that rimfire rounds might be detonated without being struck by the firing pin. Clearly, the issue is substandard ammunition.
