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Originally posted by vthoky:
Time for ol' vthoky to show his ignorance again...

Could a striker-fired pistol be built with a grip safety?

Yes. It's already been done before.

There have been a number of striker-fired guns with grip safeties, going back to the early 1900s with early Lugers and various FN/Browning guns like the Model 1906 Vest Pocket and Model 1910, as well as others like the Type A and Type B Nambus, Glisenti M1910, and Beretta 418.

The HK P7 is striker-fired, and has a grip safety of sorts (actually a cocking lever, but it functions as a safety, since the gun cannot be fired without it depressed).

The Uzi has a grip safety. Uzi SMGs are open bolt with a fixed firing pin, but there are various semiauto closed bolt Uzi clone pistols that have been converted to striker-fired.

More recently, there's been the Springfield XD series and the abortive Remington R51. The new Hudson H9 was originally designed with a grip safety, although it was eventually omitted.

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Originally posted by Sig209:

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Originally posted by EasyFire:
To my students, I always recommend a safety on any gun that will be carried in a pocket or purse.

Children even toddlers sometimes have amazing hand strength and with a curious nature rummaging in purses and pant pockets, I feel it is dangerous to leave a ready to fire pistol available.

YMMV

I agree with this 100%.

I wish more people agreed with your (our) views.

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Purse carry is stupid. Pocket carry is fine. Toddlers in your pockets?

People that agree with your view lack training. Why would you want MORE untrained, unconfident folks out there?

I would never carry a gun with a safety. NEVER. Safeties will get you killed. Get some ACTUAL training and you will come to the same conclusion.

I'm 1000% confident that the Glocks I carry, in proper holsters, will never accidentally go off. A safety is a crutch for bad habits, or poor training.

Edit: I should have toned down the rhetoric of my post, but I feel strongly on this issue. I've trained some folks in shooting, and they get lectures that safeties are for untrained folks. Train harder, until it clicks. You'll eventually reach a point where you'll realize that safeties are pointless time wasters.

Obviously 1911 shooters are another matter.

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:

Considering that the P365 is a clean sheet design that wasn't based off of any previous platform, SIG could've done anything they wanted, including incorporation of a XD-like grip safety. Not knowing the particulars on where they ultimately ended up (I haven't seen a 365 in person, let alone taken one down), at this point who knows for certain what kind of room there is to integrate in a grip safety.

Thank you for that.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

Yes. It's already been done before.

There have been a number of striker-fired guns with grip safeties, going back to the early 1900s with early Lugers and various FN/Browning guns like the Model 1906 Vest Pocket and Model 1910, as well as others like the Type A and Type B Nambus, Glisenti M1910, and Beretta 418.


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And for that.

Newest grip safety pistol introduced into the market

https://www.smith-wesson.com/f...s/mp-380-shield-ez-0

I have a S/A XDs with a grip safety and really like it. I would love to have a 365 with a 1911 style safety.

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Originally posted by sigarmsp226:
Newest grip safety pistol introduced into the market

https://www.smith-wesson.com/f...s/mp-380-shield-ez-0

The M&P Shield EZ has an internal hammer, not a striker.

The P365 Manual shows a Thumb safety version....probably down the road.

If Sig introduces a 365 with a safety that could get me to sell off my beloved 239's.

When the TS version comes out, I will have that too.

The trend seems to be towards smaller, lighter pocket striker fired pistols that have trigger pulls some of which are as light as a 1911. Over the many I've shot 1911s I've heard almost no one recommend carrying them without a thumb safety (and if some fool did others immediately tried to educate them about safe gun practices). Today the gun-makers have been working had to market light trigger pull striker fired pistols without thumb safeties as the 'modern', 'safe', 'pro' version. They're selling ego and machismo not safety.

Oh, my

A kydex holster is an adequate safety for any modern carry pistol. Mechanical safeties for the most part only satisfy lawyers and the untrained.

I have an XD-s .45ACP. It, like every XD-s, has a grip safety. Why do I not read this as a suggestion?

NO SAFETY OR DECOCKER, THIS IS A STRIKER FIRED PISTOL, THE 365 IS FINE AS IS...

I will not carry a gun with a manual safety. Buy a quality holster, take responsibility for the security of your weapon, and don't carry in a manner that children can gain access to it. But putting a mechanical firing inhibitor on a weapon that will be used for self defense is just asking for trouble, IMO. Those fine motor skills go out the window under stress, and that half a second that you have to spend determining why the gun didn't go bang the first time you pulled the trigger may cost you your life.

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92fstech

92fstech, I couldn't have said it better, and I agree 100%

With proper training, regular practice and the elimination of ingrained poor habits, a safety is a desirable component on a pistol.If you are under the impression that a safety on a pistol will hinder your performance I suggest you get some more training and practice more often.

Got no beef with a properly located safety. If I were right handed the LC9 safety would be perfect location. Thumb goes there automatically. Alas, I am left handed so it’s moot point. There are goofy safeties like on the BG380 which cannot be operated really well. It’s more of an on off switch.

I don’t purse carry, but my wife does occasionally, when she has to. She prefers a heavy Or long DA in that instance.

I’m pretty much all Glock, I’ll give the 365 a look see when it gets ironed out. As for now I’m G26 and putting a G43 through its paces to see if it has a place with me, especially in the summertime. I’ll still be G26 but every now and then I want something small and light, that still shoots well.

BTW, has there been any wieners shot off here lately? That’s all I hear about some pistols.

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Originally posted by Compactsig:
The trend seems to be towards smaller, lighter pocket striker fired pistols that have trigger pulls some of which are as light as a 1911. Over the many I've shot 1911s I've heard almost no one recommend carrying them without a thumb safety (and if some fool did others immediately tried to educate them about safe gun practices). Today the gun-makers have been working had to market light trigger pull striker fired pistols without thumb safeties as the 'modern', 'safe', 'pro' version. They're selling ego and machismo not safety.

Obviously you are not one of the super trained, elite, operators who never have a brain fart and never will

All u need is one deadly accident and your going to wish u had a trigger lock on your firearm