I've got a lot of it, including a box of submachine gun ammo and some Super Vel. A lot of this stuff I've had for years, and tend not to carry it. I have my opinions about my guns, just wondering what other folks are thinking about theirs?

P229. The platform was originally designed to handle the more powerful calibers .40 and .357SIG, then down-engineered to 9mm. I'll shoot +P and 124 gr NATO all day long.

Frankly if it’s not loaded specifically as SMG ammo hot then I am ok with pretty much any “modern era” pistol going back to say the early 80s or so. Certainly any modern SIG, Glock, HK, Beretta etc.

Now that said it will accelerate wear and tear and if I am dealing with “+P+” I tend to only use a known quantity like Federal 9BPLE as since there is no real cap/numbers around +P+ it could be anything really.

With modern ammo though standard pressure should be fine although I do like 124grain +P stuff.

What few cases of +P or +P+ I have left, I only shoot in my Staccato P and C2.

Glock.

me personally I think the toughest of the common semi 9 pistols are the full size HK USP's.
That said I'd be inclined to run the stuff through something like an MP5 or B&T myself.

Glock, Walther PPQ and P99, SIGPro 2009.

Limited amounts of +P in SIG P226 and P228.

For what it's worth, here's some chrono numbers I have recorded for a 4" barrel, average of 5 shots:

Corbon +P 147g. 1061
Rem +P+ 115g. 1324
Win +P+ 115g. 1263
Fed +P+ 115g. 1212
Super Vel 90g. 1297

Ruger & HK: +P+
Glock: +P
Stainless slide SIGs: +P
Folded slide SIGs: occasional +P

I don't shoot +P+. It has no pressure standard.

+P for carry in just about any 9mm; very few aren't approved for it.

9mm +P+ is 9mm Major stuff, and ok for competition shooting in the appropriate pistols, but there's no industry standard for +P+. It's just a way of saying that it's beyond what's considered "safe," and beyond the SAAMI published values. Most of the decent production pistols should handle it, many aren't approved for it. +P for carry, or standard pressure for carry works. If I need more energy, there's .357 Sig, which is my personal carry. If I need more than that, I'll carry a .41 magnum, or a .357 magnum.

I dont use +P or +P+. Standard pressure only.
Fuddly of me, possibly.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
I don't shoot +P+. It has no pressure standard.

Federal/Speer/Winchester etc are not going to blow up your shooter, cowboy.

For example- Federal has the classic 9BPLE. It's classified as a +P+ load, but as hot 9mm ammo goes, this stuff is a pussycat. Speer's standard velocity 115 grain Gold Dot has more felt recoil. Go figure.

Same thing with their 124 grain +P+ Hydra-Shok. The stuff just isn't all that warm. Winchester +P+ stuff, well, that's a different story.

CorBon's 115 grain load is rated as +P. I shot a bunch of that stuff in the 1990s and the early 2000s, and it is- or at least it was back then- wrist-snapping hot- real thumpers. Again, go figure. I go by how the ammunition behaves, not what it says on the box. You can tell when the 9x19 stuff is pushing the limit.

S&W 5906 with the recoil spring from a 4006 (.40 S&W version)

A steady diet? My P229.
I have shot it through my glocks and others with no ill effects. No kabooms, no wormholes, no interruptions in our space time continuum.
My only experience is with handguns in my stable. And I think all of them, including my original P225, will handle them occasionally.

But like Para said, and backed up by stiab’s chrono numbers….most of the time that stuff isn’t all that hot.
And it is inconsistently so between the brands. Liability I suppose.
And honestly, it’s not the handgun I worry about with regards to wear and tear; it’s me. I’m not terribly recoil sensitive, but I don’t shoot 9MM for recoil, noise, and fireballs. I have other stuff for that.

I shoot Hydra-Shock 9mm +P+ P9HS3G1 through my HK P7 PSP. Since I shoot 18 rounds/yr (2 ammo changes) I doubt I'm hurting anything.

I can only say Glock, Sig, Beretta...that's all I currently have in 9mm. I've only fired +P, but I'm not concerned about it harming anything.

I'm going to do a little unscientific test later today with 3 each of the Rem, Win, and Fed +P+ mentioned in my post above. Gun is a P225 with spring still new and stiff. Will sandwich them in with regular pressure loads and try my best to observe the perceived differences.

^^^^ Folded slide P225 or milled stainless slide P225-A1?

Glock for me, though I really don't shoot a lot of 9mm +P or +P+ loads even in those guns since I still rely upon a .40 for my EDC and home defense purposes. But I have at least tried +P through all of my guns that I've considered in that role; P365s, VP9, PPS M2, various CZs...I sometimes didn't like how I did with the loads but the guns themselves didn't hiccup.

9BPLE has been shot steadily through my 228, and Glock 19. 228 has needed pins changed in the slide a few times but no other issues. 228 is almost 30 years old.