+P in any modern pistol. I stay away from +P+. Especially since I had some old Hornady JHP +P Kaboom in my G27 while shooting up at Marzys & Cockatto's place several years ago.

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Originally posted by 12131:
^^^^ Folded slide P225 or milled stainless slide P225-A1?

Original, not A1, and I'm OK with it.

A folded slide sig would be one of my last choices on running really hot ammo. But that's just me.
parts can be tough sometimes.

I got 40 rounds of some federal +P+ from my now retired FBI firarms instructor buddy from HS. It is hand-labeled "for MP5 only"...so it sits on my shelf. I generally do not shoot much +p 9mm, but when I do I do so in my 92FS. I stick to normal 9mm for my BHP and Springfield EMP (which is my cc handgun).

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Again, go figure. I go by how the ammunition behaves, not what it says on the box. You can tell when the 9x19 stuff is pushing the limit.

Have you given any thought to the idea that its advertising BS? The unwashed hillbillies will buy it for is perceived strength. "its hotter" than standard 9mm. More effective than standard run of the mill fodder. And that's true, more effective bait, not down range performance. I hate advertising.

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Originally posted by rburg:
Have you given any thought to the idea that its advertising BS?

The stuff I shot today was not any advertising bullchit, especially the Remington +P+. It had been several years since I did the chrono test listed on the previous page, and I was impressed today.

The alternating rounds were older UMC, and I decided to go 2 + 2 alternating instead of 3 + 3, everything 115g. There is no mistaking that Remington is some powerful stuff!

Hirtenberger hot nine

The L7A1 stuff was made- IIRC- for the Brits, for use in their Sterling subguns in extreme cold weather. When it started to come into the country many years ago, the BATF thought enough if it to issue an "overpressure" advisory about it.

I wouldn't shoot it in pistols. I did have the chance to run a box through an HK MP5-SD.

The top box is the "FL" load, used (at least it used to be) by Austrian State Police in their Glocks and MP5s. Rated +P+ but the 100 grain projectile makes for relatively mild recoil.

Any modern pistol that was originally designed and produced in both 9mm and .40 is safe for 9mm +P.

So that means:

HK USP, P2000, P30
Glock Gen 4 and 5
Sig Classic Stainless Slides - P226, P229, P239, etc.
Sig P320

And a whole lot more.

For any basic design that can handle the .40, manufacturers usually just lighten the slide with some internal milling and/or use a lighter recoil spring for 9mm. The caveat is that some manufacturers specifically say that +P+ voids the warranty, while +P will reduce time between maintenance intervals. Practice with standard pressure and carry with +P or +P+ ammo should be fine from a practical perspective and not hurt anything. I use cheap FMJ for practice and carry (after testing in the specific pistol) 124 +P SD rounds.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Hirtenberger hot nine

The top box is the "FL" load...

I have the same box as your top one, full and sealed, and don't want to open it right now. What does the "FL" mean, is yours open and if so can you describe the bullet? Thanks...

Just went to the range yesterday, and put BPLE through my CZ PCR, G43, and Sig 365, without a thought.
I prefer HST 124's these days, but have lots of BPLE, so don't hesitate to shoot it through various guns regularly to make sure they (and I) function well with it.
The only exceptions would be a Browing Hi Power and Rohrbaugh.

HK and Glocks.

I would feel comfortable shooting +p in any modern production pistol, that is in proper functioning condition.

For +p+, on a lite diet, cause parts are becoming harder to get, I would use a S&W 5906. Or any third gen S&W all steel model.

I wouldn't buy any super hot loads. My SD ammo is +p, but I shoot a few mags a year of it. Other than that I see no purpose to putting additional wear on my guns.

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Originally posted by stiab:
I have the same box as your top one, full and sealed, and don't want to open it right now. What does the "FL" mean, is yours open and if so can you describe the bullet? Thanks...

FL stands for flatnose lead, I imagine, though that's just a guess. It's a jacketed 100 grain "truncated cone" with a small exposed lead tip. Hirtenberger claimed that this bullet construction would minimize ricochets on hard surfaces, such as glass or marble.

I have two or three boxes of it left. It's packed away with the L7A1.

Here's an old photocopy of a data sheet for the FL.

I run 9 BPLE +p+ in my work glock and in my off duty glock, no problems (maybe 200 rounds thru the gun with those), my Beretta did not like the stuff and seems to short stroke,cycle to fast. i do not run it in my 92a1. It is my go to load in 9mm if I can swing it, Fed HST behind that.

I don't use +P+ in any of my pistols.

With my defensive use Glocks, I load up with +P JHP with the exception of my Glock 43X. I use Federal 150 HST JHP vs +P in the 43X.

Well, short of ammo hot enough to make a frozen subgun cycle, I'll shoot anything with a 9x19 headstamp out of a stock G17 and not worry about it one single bit.

I don't typically like to shoot high pressure stuff through guns that I care about...if I need something with more oomf I'd rather just buy a gun chambered in a larger cartridge that's designed from the ground up to handle the greater amount of energy. I do think most modern guns will safely digest more +Ps than most can afford to shoot, though.

A couple of years ago I got to attend an ammo demonstration for work that was put on by Hornady. As part of this demo, they shot a bunch of different rounds into denim-covered gel (direct and through different media like drywall, thin steel, and glass), including random stuff that guys were taking out of their own magazines and providing to them to shoot. There was some Federal HST in the mix, Gold Dots, and some other stuff that I can't remember. Interestingly, some of the modern hollow points actually got less penetration in their +p iterations than they did in their standard loads, because they opened up faster and wider, and slowed more quickly in the gel. Ultimately, the gain from most of the +P ammo was negligible at best...not worth the extra punishment on the shooter/gun, IMO.

I have shot the +P+ 9BPLE in P series Sigs, polymer framed Sigs, Glocks and HKs with no issues. I don’t shoot it all the time though, but I do shoot up my carry ammo every few months for practice. I have also run various +P loads in the same platforms without issues.

I don’t find 9BPLE all that snappy and wouldn’t be all that concerned with running it regularly. In fact the some of the 124 Nato loads seem to have more recoil to me than 9BPLE.

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I don’t find 9BPLE all that snappy and wouldn’t be all that concerned with running it regularly.

That is the Federal +P+ I mentioned on the previous page in my chrono tests, and it was far below the Remington in average velocity, same bullet weight.