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[/QUOTE] 1. Buy in bulk. Reload. It still is more expensive than 9mm, so yes. 2. Sounds more like a training issue. 3. All guns are loud unsuppressed. Moot point. 4. How many people will reach the max life of such a pistol? 5. Could be said of nearly any common pistol round.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it's a bad round and if you like it all the power to you. I still go back and forth on getting a 357 Sig barrel for 229C. Just my experience and opinion. As for being loud, it is significantly louder. We did our bi-annual training at the Sig Academy and as an instructor on the range all day the noise beat me up and required double ear protection. You probably won't be subjected to a large group of guys shooting all day on an indoor range. With ammo prices I go by the State bid and 357 Sig is the same as 45acp, significantly higher than 40S&W and 9mm. DPR | |||
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Look up .357 SIG. https://www.luckygunner.com/handgun/357-sig-ammo And there are other sources at competitive prices...with the ammo in stock. Yes, the .357 SIG has disadvantages just like all the other calibers. For me...it's the caliber the 9mm so much wants to be. YMMV. Have a good day. | |||
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No one will dispute the effectiveness of the 357Sig caliber. The only detractor I found, like many other of its aficionados, is cost... ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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The lowest cost on your link is $0.40 per round. 9mm can be had for $0.18 per round all day long with no difficulty. What am I missing here??? | |||
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Not a thing pessimist...you are correct to point out the $ differences. My mistake was defending the .357 SIG costs from my personal perception of "expensive."I didn't (don't) think 50 rounds of ammunition for $20 was expensive. YMMV and I understand that. Thank you for pointing that out. :-) | |||
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It’s expensive if that is the round you shoot matches with. I have zero heartburn with the round or you liking it for yourself. You are straight up nuts trying to say they are similar in price. Nope. Nope. Nope. And every year and fewer users that price differential will most likely widen. 24 bucks a box is more expensive than 38 special which is what is driving me back to reload for that caliber. 9? Cheap enough to buy factory. | |||
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Winchester USA Forged 9mm $10 a box for 50. OK...I didn't know that...so you got me on the price comparisons. I spoke too soon. Roger that. Can we meet at the range...you shoot your 9mm ammo...I'll shoot mine...then go have a beer somewhere? Have a good day. | |||
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Interesting that another 357 thread popped up so soon. A few things- ATK has informed the .gov that they are about to seriously retard 357 production and drop most of their offerings. The last major .gov agency that shoots a ton of it, are now dumping the caliber. Presumably, based upon that statement ATK offerings (Gold Dot, HST) will either cease or be done in extremely limited runs. That means those rounds will be extremely hard to get, if not impossible. What does that mean? It means that if the demand is there, perhaps Winchester will pick up the slack. And there is always SIGs ammunition plant which is the most likely answer. Will the lack of supply drive up demand, and demand further drive up prices? Can’t answer on that. No rabbit, no magic hat, no crystal ball. But I think if you look at history, and look at 10mm supply and prices around 2002-2010, that is probably your most reasonable answer. The demand for 10mm in the last 7-8 years have risen, and more of it is in circulation and prices have softened. From the aspect of training “issues” with the gun, I can tell you that right now the FAMS are turning out the best shooters overall that they ever have. But, none of their instructional staff will deny that the caliber is just harder to shoot. And shooting at lot of it will make you flinchy. So saying faster follow up shots is a training issue is true only if the training issue is working twice as hard to accomplish the same thing with other calibers. Fun topic, though. | |||
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For those who like to shoot .357 Sig, member GarandGuy is selling LEO trade-in Speer Lawman 50 round boxes for 12.99, over on the cheap- ammo thread. I bought two cases of Gold Dot from him last week. That is a great price. https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...3106699/m/2940021244 | |||
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There are a lot of handgun calibers that exist, but don't flourish. This is maybe the best description of 357 Sig. For many years I considered buying 357 barrels for my 40s. I never did, and in retrospect I'm glad I didn't spend the money. The people who like 357 Sig will be there for a long time to buy brass and loaded ammo. Additional guns, too. Most likely the market for the caliber will show slight upticks here and there, but my bets are on a slow and sustained sales deterioration. IMO the best use of a bottle neck pistol cartridge is in a longer barrel, where the bullet has more time to get up to speed. Like an SBR or a pistol carbine. But it probably won't happen in any great sales volume. If I were a current manufacturer of 357 Sig ammo or components, I'd be thinning my herd ASAP. Furthermore, I'd have an exit plan in the wings. | |||
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I've always thought the .357 SIG was a particularly smooth feeding round. Just seems like it has the potential to enhance feeding reliability. It seems less snappy than .40 too. | |||
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Time to resurrect the .356 TSW, .38 supers and 9 x23’s. | |||
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jlj...a very informative post. No doubt merit to what you said. Thanks for sharing this information, much obliged. | |||
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I like discussing gun stuff, but I never understood the point of "caliber" wars. It is really easy to quantify the differences and advantages/disadvantages of the various calibers. What can't be done is assign a universal priority or weight to any given factor. If cost is very important that would steer you towards 9mm, if terminal performance is #1 then .45, .40 or .357 Sig. etc. There is no "better" or "right" answer. Sometimes it can be a simple as not wanting to stock another caliber or liking a gun that is only offered in certain chamberings and not others. Shoot what you like, it doesn't matter why you like it. “People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik Be harder to kill: https://preparefit.ck.page | |||
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Still running strong around here. Sig, Glock, 2011, 1911 etc... all day long. | |||
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.357sig is my #1 choice for carry. The only reason I carry a different caliber is when size considerations come into play. In the Florida summer a .380 is really convenient. “We truly live in a wondrous age of stupid.” - 83v45magna "I think it's important that people understand free speech doesn't mean free from consequences societally or politically or culturally." -Pranjit Kalita, founder and CIO of Birkoa Capital Management | |||
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On the factory NIB market, man, on the factory NIB market. | |||
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357sig is quite possibly, the best self defense handgun caliber that you could carry. I carried it at work for 20 years, with many OIS. It's a stellar round. 357sig barrel for carry and 40 barrel for range. Cost is not a factor. | |||
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I reload It so it cost the same as 9 mm, I can shoot it until I'm tired of loading mags and not feel like it's ever going to break the bank. | |||
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Jerry, are they dumping the 229? I would imagine they are going to the Gen5 19,no? | |||
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