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I'm hoping not, of course. It has not been sent back to Sig; I am undecided whether or not I will. I only became aware of the drop-failure issue after putting cash down on it, a "Carry" model.

So, I've viewed a couple of YouTube videos on this topic and searched this forum, extensively. The consensus seems to be: some like the original "thick" trigger, some opt for the safety upgrade. I haven't seen any posts of members' first-hand experience with failures... and, it looks like most here are avid shooters. So, that's promising, I suppose.

Only time will tell what I'll decide. The modular trigger group design and the better-than-average trigger pull in this example are what influenced my decision.

Thoughts?


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No mistake. The 320 is a great platform. Unless you are in the habit of dropping loaded pistols at a weird angle, the upgrade will be more of a preference issue. You'll get a lot of differing options on the drop safety "problem". I like the slimmer trigger and sent the one I had with the "issue" back mostly for the trigger change. Put some rounds downrange and see what you think.
 
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The only mistake I can see is if the price is too high. I've been handling and shooting guns for almost 30 years and have never dropped a gun, let alone a loaded one. Can it happen? Of course, but being safe usually prevents that.

My EDC is a 320C 45. It's had the upgrade, but that took about 1.5 years before I sent it in because Sig had so many others to work on. I was perfectly fine carrying it before the upgrade and never had any problems with it before or after the upgrade.
 
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There is no valid reason not to get the "upgrade" done.
 
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This being Sigforum you know what answers you'll get. Sig has lied and covered up safety issues. How can you trust them? There are new lawsuits as the 320 has been firing IN holsters. Proceed at your own risk.
 
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There have been law suits alleging that the firearms discharged in holsters. Most counts discussed here were very suspect. Merely because someone files a lawsuit and makes an allegation does not create truth.
 
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I had one without the upgrade and I have one now with it. The trigger feels a little better and lighter with the upgrade. I don't know if that's the case with all of upgraded ones or not but I don't think you'll be disappointed if you have it done.


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It's easy to check to see if the upgrade has been done, and the upgrade is free. Barring the potential wait, it's a complete non-issue.

http://www.sigsauer.com/suppor...ary-upgrade-program/
 
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I sent my own & the wife's 320(s) in for the upgrade also but it wouldn't keep me up at night having never done so.

Neither of us make a habit of throwing loaded pistols around the house.



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The point of not tossing about a pistol is well taken, but that's not the issue with the P320. Standing up and catching the pistol on the underside of a table, while it's holstered? Rapping it on a doorway?

During the let-me-see-if-I-can-make-mine-do-it mania of youtube crusaders, a popular trick was to tape the back of the slide while in battery, to set the pistol off. Best done with just a piece of brass with a primer in the chamber, not loaded ammunition. It was demonstrated numerous times that tapping the back of the slide could cause the pre-"upgraded" pistol to discharge.

Dropping the pistol, it's got to land at a very specific angle (-35 degrees past vertical, as I recall), from a drop. Wacking the slide, however, seemed a much easier way to discharge the pistol.

The idea behind ensuring that it isn't accidentally set off is that most people don't plan on smacking or dropping their pistol; the "upgrade" is to account for those times that you don't plan to do it.
 
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Thanks, everyone.

I'm 56 and also have never dropped any gun. I always carry with one in the chamber and had wondered if there's any validity to claims of holstered pistols discharging on their own.
(Seems rather unlikely.)

I carry IWB at 4 o'clock so, I'm not concerned with shooting myself. Rather, I'd hope to not put anyone near me in harm's way.

I do like the ergonomics, the size, (of the Carry model) the decent night sights, and the trigger as it is now.

I put it on lawaway yesterday for $375, OTD.
It comes with the SN'd case and one 17-rd magazine. (I have a second 17-rounder, so it's all good.)

In this current climate, it seemed like a fair enough deal.

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I'd consider $375 to be a pretty good deal.

I paid $350.00 for a 9MM 320C CPO last year that was like new, appreciate the size & capacity. My original 320 was full-size .45 but I paid a good bit more for it.



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From what I've seen on youtube, you'll be fine if you don't beat the back of it with a mallet. IMHO, way overblown.
 
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I have a P320 Carry with 700+ rounds and an M17 with 500+ rounds through each. Some 115 +P+ but mostly service comparable reloads 115 & 124 FMC.

I've carried the P320 concealed in a kydex holster and the M17 in the holster manufactured/marketed by Sig. I've had no malfunctions nor any "accidental" or "negligent" discharges.

Both pistols run like a sewing machine. If I were back in LE I would have no hesitation utilizing the P320/M17 platform.

YMMV.

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The M17 has the "upgrade."
 
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Excellent platform.
Don't let the omnipresent naysayers sway you.
I have two (X-Five and X-Five Legion) scratch builds and they are as perfect as a striker-fired pistol can be, in my opinion.

I've been around a lot of different designs and I can tell you, P320 is the New Sheriff in Town.

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Why would we not get the upgrade? It's a little bit of a nuisance to call and get the shipping tag, but that's all. If someone has a gun without it but also has faith they are conscientious and skilled enough to never drop it, good on him, but then SIG is no longer responsible for what might happen as a result of that faith.




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Originally posted by sg:
This being Sigforum you know what answers you'll get. Sig has lied and covered up safety issues. How can you trust them? There are new lawsuits as the 320 has been firing IN holsters. Proceed at your own risk.


I'm just curious sg. What is that supposed to mean?

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I put it on lawaway yesterday for $375, OTD.

-Bill


I think that is a good to very good price right now. I paid $500 new for my 45 compact 2 years ago. With the way things are going with guns right now, it's amazing you even found one to buy.
 
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This being Sigforum you know what answers you'll get. Sig has lied and covered up safety issues. How can you trust them? There are new lawsuits as the 320 has been firing IN holsters. Proceed at your own risk.

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I'm just curious sg. What is that supposed to mean?

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...With the way things are going with guns right now, it's amazing you even found one to buy.


I agree. I stop by this place fairly regularly -like 5 times per week. It’s very uncommon these days to find anything in a CCW package in 9mm (or, .40 S&W).

-Bill


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