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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Why would we not get the upgrade? It's a little bit of a nuisance to call and get the shipping tag, but that's all. If someone has a gun without it but also has faith they are conscientious and skilled enough to never drop it, good on him, but then SIG is no longer responsible for what might happen as a result of that faith.

How so? SIG never made the 'upgrade' mandatory. It's only voluntary. One could easily argue that SIG in its stance doesn't consider the issue important enough to make certain that any known possibility of a possible drop-safe question is taken care of.

As for it being overblown; apparently it was serious enough for the Army to tell SIG about the issue, well before that Connecticut SWAT officer blew out his knee when his gun fell to the ground in exactly that 'very specific' angle. Bad luck, I guess...for all parties involved.

But I agree; there is no overwhelming reason NOT to have the repair (calling a spade a spade) done on your gun. IMHO this euphemistically phrased 'upgrade' should've been made an official RECALL, then all ambiguity about its validity would be squashed and there would be no question about having the fix completed on ALL guns. Even SA years after-the-fact turned their voluntary fix for the XDS's grip safety into a full blown recall.

<sarcasm on> But that's not the Cohen/SIG way, I suspect. A recall implies flaw and fault, and no one in Newington wants to admit that they're human. <sarcasm off>

One could argue anything, and someone no doubt will.

I agree that it should have been a recall, but two stupids don’t make a smart. Not having the repair (which term I also agree with) is stupid, no matter how unlikely one is to drop a loaded gun or whatever romantic principle is keeping anyone from doing it.

some things are actually an IQ test. and this is one of them.

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Originally posted by monoblok:

As for it being overblown; apparently it was serious enough for the Army to tell SIG about the issue, well before that Connecticut SWAT officer blew out his knee when his gun fell to the ground in exactly that 'very specific' angle. Bad luck, I guess...for all parties involved.

Maybe that happened.

People have been using the excuse that it just happened, for a very long time.

When Gus Grissom's space capsule hatch blew and the capsule sunk in the ocean, he claimed adamantly that "it just fell off."

I knew a pilot whose callsign was "Gus" because the external stores on his aircraft dropped on the ramp. He claimed he never dropped them, that "I don't know: they just fell off."

I lost track of the times my own kids told me that this or that just happened. As if it was a valid explanation.

Gun just went off in the holster. Uh-huh. Sure. Right.

That said, most of those cases make the point that the fired brass was still in the chamber; the slide didn't cycle to eject it, indicating the slide remained in place when the weapon discharged, suggesting a similarity, and a greater chance that the weapon did discharge while holstered, or perhaps with the thumb on the slide or the holster snap or retention in place.

Having noted that, it does seem that the majority of cited cases involve law enforcement pistols (in retention holsters). Coincidence?

Although it proves nothing about the reported incidents, I will point out something about the duty holsters I have for my P320s.

If I were to holster the pistol with my finger on the trigger and pushed it in far enough so that the edge of the holster then pushed my finger and the trigger back enough to discharge the gun, the ejection port is completely covered by the holster itself. That would of course prevent the ejection of the cartridge case. In such a case we would expect some sort of partial extraction and the attempted chambering of another round. Unless.

Unless something also interfered with normal movement of the slide such as a rotating hood that had been put into place before the discharge, if the user had placed his thumb on the back of the slide (as is recommended for users of hammer fired pistols), or perhaps some other mechanism. Note, too, that if the gun fired spontaneously while holstered, the case would not be ejected, but we would expect evidence that the slide had moved, including extraction of the case and an attempt by the system to chamber another round.

And as a final factor, anyone who had an unintentional discharge because he holstered the gun with his finger on the trigger might just possibly be tempted to fib and claim that the gun fired without the trigger’s being touched. Hard to believe, I know, but possibly—?

Sold mine.