Take a look at Underwoods .380 +P loads.
They could ka-boom your Taurus.

This is a common problem with the garbage Taurus.

If it is so common with Taurus pistols, how are they still in business?

This is the first such incident like this I believe I’ve ever read here (except, IIRC, something similar involving those garbage Beretta pistols ).

I’m not about to sing the praises of the Taurus line because I don’t even own one, but common—?
Links to other incidents?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
If it is so common with Taurus pistols, how are they still in business?

This is the first such incident like this I believe I’ve ever read here (except, IIRC, something similar involving those garbage Beretta pistols ).

I’m not about to sing the praises of the Taurus line because I don’t even own one, but common—?
Links to other incidents?

I had my share of issues with the two Taurus pistols that I owned (yeah, I'm a slow learner), and my personal experience has led me to the conclusion that the stuff they make is truly garbage. That said, I've never had one explode.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
I've never had one explode.

Which was what I was asking about. Thanks.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
If it is so common with Taurus pistols, how are they still in business?

This is the first such incident like this I believe I’ve ever read here (except, IIRC, something similar involving those garbage Beretta pistols ).

I’m not about to sing the praises of the Taurus line because I don’t even own one, but common—?
Links to other incidents?

3 Taurii, in 2 pages, here:
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...935/m/4480048554/p/2

Full-on exploded handguns are pretty rare, Tuarus' build quality is such that I would be reluctant to experience a KB with one of their products.

I don't know that it can be called a kaboom, but I have seen one of their alloy S&W copies send it's barrel downrange, along with the bullet, and had a friend who's a smith tell me he'd seen another instance. YMMV...

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Originally posted by Rob1972:
3 Taurii, in 2 pages,

Hmm .... I cannot seem to find the post(s) about slides breaking in two—which is what this thread is about and therefore what my question was about.
Can you direct me to the page(s) and where the posts are?

Nephews 85 knock off fell apart in his pocket while carrying it. The 92 knock off I owned blew up in my face, bowed slide, ejector blown off.
Those guns are garbage.

I think your angst is misplaced. Perhaps there aren’t a lot of stories of slides breaking in half and removing eyeballs but there is plenty of evidence of poor quality and dangerous products Taurus has produced and continues to produce. Hanging your hat on “well this is the first complete disintegration” of a Taurus product isn’t exactly stable argumentative ground. Taurus makes some very poor products. Some are just dangerous. Don’t buy Taurus is a good rule of thumb. Avoid being the second slide disintegration victim.

Man, there is just no meat in the slide at all, is there?

Taurus. I do hope the guy keeps his eye.

My prayers and best wishes go out to the shooter and his family. I am very hopeful he is able to make a full recovery. On that note, many years ago my optometrist at the time told me that the human eye is amazingly resilient. I hope this is the case with this gentleman.

A couple of questions to ponder:

1) I wonder if the model of Taurus he was shooting was a mechanically locked action like a Browning or was it like many .380 pistols, simple blow-back operation?

2) The eye protection in question. Looks exactly like the eyewear I use when shooting. It's smaller and more unobtrusive than a lot of other eye protection. I wonder if the guy had been wearing the larger more conventional eyewear, would it have done a better job of distributing the force of the impact to his eye?

Got it.
In other words: none.
Just as I expected, but it is good to have confirmation.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Got it.
In other words: none.
Just as I expected, but it is good to have confirmation.

Ok. Maybe not common but a lawyer friend of mine has successfully sued Taurus before and has gathered several new clients recently with this very issue. He is aware of more but hasn’t yet been in contact with the victims. It’s not an isolated incident. I’m sorry you weren’t made aware of it.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Got it.
In other words: none.
Just as I expected, but it is good to have confirmation.

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Originally posted by ruger357:
[T]his very issue ....

Well, see, that's what I was asking. Although you don't provide details, perhaps because you don't have any, at least you seem to have information relating to my original question: How common is it for Taurus slides to break apart when the gun is fired? Other failures demonstrate the quality of the company's other guns, but that wasn't the subject of this thread or what my question related to.

Catastrophic gun failures that result in serious personal injury and which are solely the fault of the gun are very rare these days. When they do occur, word tends to get around via methods like this thread. Because I had not heard of any other Taurus slide separation failures before this one, my interest was especially piqued by the claim that they were "common." And when something is common, we can expect that it would be easy for the person making the claim to cite examples. For example, when it was claimed that pre-upgrade P320 pistols could fire if dropped just the right way, any number of Internet videos were available to confirm the fact—and despite its actually being an uncommon occurrence. Here we have one reliable report of the failure I'm asking about. If there are others, I would be very interested in seeing them.
(And yes, I did conduct my own Internet research and came up with nothing. That was another reason for asking my question.)

A long explanation, but hopefully it will be clearer now. I will leave it at that unless someone else manages to come up with relevant information.

As it turns out, the man injured was a friend of a friend, just north of me.
Chris is currently going through followup treatment at a specialist in Birmingham, Al. They're hoping his retina isn't irreparably damaged.

The family is of course initiating legal action. They are requesting information from anyone with similar experiences with this particular model (TCP 380). My email is in my profile if you have 1st hand knowledge. Or, contact Todd Wheeles @ Morris Haynes Law in Birmingham https://mhhlaw.net/
205-324-4008

Edit:
ruger357 may well be referring to the same attorney this family is using.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

Catastrophic gun failures that result in serious personal injury and which are solely the fault of the gun are very rare these days. When they do occur, word tends to get around via methods like this thread.

While they only resulted in minor injuries, I've had two, though neither with a Taurus. When sharing those events, I've had nothing but ridicule and dismissive responses. One would think others might be interested in knowing about such issues, but the apologists are far more enamored with denial.

Somewhat in the same way the inevitable response to a report of a malfunction is "you must be limpwristing it."

Not too surprising that reports of failures aren't as widely broadcast or reported, as one might think.

I have a Sig P290 in 380 that has ejection that is so weak that the only means to make it reliable was to shoot with the ejection port facing the ground. Since I have a policy of hand loading for every caliber I shoot I naturally started reloading the 380. One thing that is very distinct about the 380 is the limited case capacity. In an attempt to get a bit more oomphf to get teh slide moving faster I built a 10% overcharge for a under the table 380 +P. would have gone to 15% if I could but a 10% over charge was a compressed charge of CFE Pistol. BTW, by compressed I mean the bullet stalled just at the point of getting a sort of light taper crimp. Probably could have used a 4 lbs. mallet and not get the bullet to budge any deeper. Note, didn't solve the ejection issue.

Point is that it might barely be able to get to a Kaboom load using titegroup but I sort of doubt it, with a 95 grain bullet the available volume for powder is pretty small. So I will agree with everyone here who is thinking that Taurus is at fault for this. Frankly I think that this wasn't an actual OOB explosion, the 380 is weak enough I don't think it would do that much damage to a well made slide. I think the cause for this is the slide flat out came a part and when it broke it slammed into the shooter's face. Hopefully he'll be treated and a really good hospital instead of some county facility, because this type of injury really does require an expert doing the work.