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I have noticed people are really in to shooting .38 super. What is the deal? Why do you like it? How does it compare to 9mm, .357sig? My uncle has a colt commander in .38 super that is a somewhat rare model. I don't know the specifics, but it was appraised at about $4,000. It has been fired. He shoots about 2 mags out of it per year. I asked him about it, but he doesn't have an opinion either way. ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | ||
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I like it because its about as cheap to reload as 9mm and I feel that it's longer length makes it a bit more reliable in a 1911 as compared to 9mm. | |||
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| We gonna get some oojima in this house! |
How does feel compared to .357 sig and 9mm? ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
For me it primarily boils down to the pistols. I don't think I shoot much of anything better than a 220 in .38 Super. OTOH, it's a fun cartridge to play with in it's own right, and seems to give the best performance one can expect from the 9mm without the round being loaded quite as hot. Recoil is noticeably but not substantially greater than one would get from the same pistol loaded with +P 9mm. I'm going on the basis of shooting different pistols, but recoil seems to be a lot lower than it is with the 357SIG. | |||
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Reload it like the original load,130gr. @ 1300fps. Almost the same as the 357 SIG. | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr.  |
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Think about the feel of a 357 Sig with the capacity of a 9mm. Most of the pistols in .38 Super are also a lot easier to shoot as they have more inertia to tame the recoil. Some of the fancier .38 Super 1911s have a recoil spring rated at 5 1/2 pounds. Plus you can load half a box of ammo in a double stack 1911. | |||
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Been a Super owner for many years. Why the Super? Guess I liked the idea that it was supposed to be more powerful than 9MM. Acquiring a chronograph at some point, I found that not always to be the case. I experienced miserable accuracy with my early Combat Commander and another Super Colt with those old style barrels. Had a succession of Supers since that were much better guns. In factory ammo, .357 SIG ballistics are superior to the Super. Likewise, the factory Super is superior to most standard pressure 9MM. If 9MM +P or +P+ ammo is factored into the equation, major manufacturer 38 Super is not always superior to 9MM. With "boutique" manufacturer, or handloaded ammo, the Super can always exceed the best 9MM ballistics due to operating at similar pressures, and having the advantage of greater powder capacity. I don't have any particular reason to have, shoot and reload the Super, other than indulging my ballistic interests. BTW, Sure be interested in the specifics of that rare model Colt Commander your Uncle has that has been appraised at $4000.00??? Like to learn more about that one. NRA Life | |||
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I've always liked the somewhat odd calibers. Flat shooting. Lot's of energy on target. Tame, even at the higher end of the velocity spectrum. Also one of the original chamberings of the 1911. Easy to reload for. _________________________ An unarmed man can only flee from evil and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it. - Col Jeff Cooper NRA Life Member Long Live the Super Thirty-Eight | |||
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The .38 Super is a long cartridge that feeds well in a long action like 1911 or P220. It can be, but is not always, loaded to somewhat higher velocity than 9mm P. Availability of guns and ammo is nowhere near 9mm. | |||
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| We gonna get some oojima in this house! |
I'll try to find out more. He's not really a gun guy like we are. My grandad gave it to him. He had it appraised by a collector. I don't know what it is that makes it so rare. ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
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Pictures, we need pictures of a $4000 Commander. | |||
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Does anybody know if there is 38 super P227 floating around somewhere? That sounds like it would be a pretty cool piece. Would an aftermarket conversion be possible or would the factory have to implement certain changes? Psalm 144:1 | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr. |
I think the .38 Super horse had left the barn before the P227 joined the stable. You'd have to swap a few parts, but it should make for a trusty steed. | |||
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Would a 38 Super slide fit on a 227? Magazines would be an issue too. Sounds very intriguing though! Sigs, HKs, 1911s, Berettas, Glocks and SW revolvers | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
Based on an earlier Gray Guns project, the easiest course might be to modify the breech face and extractor to fit .38 super cases. Still no idea as to what to do about a magazine - so far nothing I've looked at seems to fit closely enough that it could even be modified to work. I keep hoping, though. | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr. |
Regular mags should work fine. At least they do in my Glock. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^^ With a 227? | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr. |
^^^ Can't say for sure about the P227. Purely speculation on my part When I converted my Glock to .38 Super I had no issues with the magazines themselves. Unless they had a Kriss Vector magazine extension, they all worked fine. | |||
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Sorry to dig up an old thread  I have tried my older 38 Super 220 slide on a 227 frame. Works just fine. I do not know if 38 Super would load or feed properly from the stock 227 magazine though. I think the follower might be too big. But if I could load up a 227 magazine with 38 Super without issue (15 rounds),the next step would be to shoot it with the "220 38 Super" upper. Man that would be sweet if it worked without a glitch.  | |||
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I think USPSA shooters like it because it can be comfortably loaded to major power factor, giving them more rounds per mag than .40 or .45. | |||
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