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The Israelis most certainly do carry handguns. I've been to Israel (Haifa) five times when I was still working for Intel. Every morning you will see a lot of Israelis enter the Intel facility and check their handguns at the front desk. | |||
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| and this little pig said: |
I worked briefly (10 yrs) for an Israeli owned company in NH. When some of them visited, I invited them to join me at noontime to shoot at my local range. None of the Israelis seemed particularly adept at shooting handguns. Although they enjoyed the experience, I was underwhelmed by their skills. | |||
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Never understood the reverence for this. If you're carrying a modern pistol in a proper holster, there is zero reason to carry on an empty chamber unless you want to come in second in a shootout. | |||
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| Freethinker |
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. ► 6.4/93.6 | |||
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goodheart |
Thanks, SigFreund!! _________________________ “Remember, remember the fifth of November!" | |||
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Shaman |
Rouge, I work with many Israelis. One actually has the permit. It's nearly impossible to get a permit, buy the gun and obtain ammunition for it. And you have to get a permit for a specific firearm. Read the eligibility requirements. Most of those permit holders are tour guides, private security and policemen. Yes they can but the government makes it so difficult the average citizen doesn't.  He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. | |||
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As much as the why fish wrap writers write about Israeli Carry, Point shooting, .45 v 9, is actually about running out of content and any chatter about your column is better than no chatter. It is impossible for anyone to say with a straight face that drawing a pistol, chambering a round and delivering a round to the target is faster than drawing and firing a shot. If the “standard” for this technique is 1.2 seconds, their training program would be well under 1 second if they took out the unnecessary movement of the draw. Let’s stop romanticizing the Israelis as being John Wickesqe ghetto gunfighters. Drawing and firing a shot is faster, and more efficient than drawing chambering a round and firing a shot. Rogue and SF are dead on. (Without having time chamber a round first) | |||
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| Experienced Slacker |
God bless you for saying that - and I'm an agnostic so you get extra credit. The relative rarity of their existence does not grant them any super powers over the teeming masses of us mere gentiles/mortals. But you wouldn't believe that if you read just about any gun related article about them. Also surprised the obligatory pic(s) of armed Israeli females hasn't found its way into the thread yet.  This message has been edited. Last edited by: apprentice, | |||
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I guess with a Beretta 92 or a 1911 it could work. But I shudder at the thought of trying it with, let's say, a Seecamp. That slippery, tightly sprung little sucker would be the death of me. | |||
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| Lead slingin' Parrot Head  |
 Quick thread drift. Anyone recognize the gun from the TTAG article? At first glance I thought it was a SIG P22X, but a closer look seems to rule that out. Some sort of SIG clone? Maybe a Norinco? | |||
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Wait, what? |
It looks like a Zastava CZ99.  “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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Yeah, I am 100% throwing the bullshit flag on the 1.2 draw. No way you are going to persuade me that the entirety of the IDF and police forces are able to execute that time. | |||
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| Lead slingin' Parrot Head |
Thank you. I forgot about the Yugo critters. | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
The same people who put a Glock on hockey stick and shoved it up a stuffed cat's ass then marketed it like it was the solution to anything. If you guys want to see something fucking amazing, check this out. Full vid here, and it's worth a watch: https://twitter.com/Snakeeater.../1586014120075300864 ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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Empty chamber = dead man’s gun ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Well, looks like I'm going to have to practice my tactical chicken dance.  | |||
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War Damn Eagle! |
World without end, Amen.
That would be Pacific West Academy. That "waddle" is on the same stupidity level as the "the flinch". | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Those guys are both former Israeli SOF of some capacity. There's your 1.2 second draw, chamber and fire time right there.  "bUt ThE iSrAEliS dO It sO iT's A gOoD iDeA" needs to stop. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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| Fighting the good fight |
Whereas if you want to see an Israeli trainer who knows his stuff, check out Eli Feildboy with Project Gecko on YouTube. (Either under Project Gecko's own channel or under the UF PRO channel.) Eli is a former IDF special operations soldier who now runs a training center in Germany that trains a lot of the European SWAT/SpecOps units in CQB/room clearing/active shooter response. Goofy name aside, it's good stuff. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
As many said, carrying with an empty chamber is a concession to an decreased chance of accidental discharge at the expense of readiness. If your gun carriers are not well trained it may make sense. Also, before DA autos, it might have been even a little more desireable than with modern DA/SA or DAO autos. I also think it just reflects a time when autos were a little more exotic, and not as commonplace. Revlovers were standard, and even gun people might have had some reservations about those "new-fangled" automatic pistols. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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