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| The M&P pistols, while excellent, will never be as iconic as the 3rd-generation pistols. Nostalgia plays a factor for sure, but I also think that the 3rd-generation pistols benefit from the overall diversity of their era. Most mainstream pistols today, the M&P included, are Glock clones; this doesn't take anything away from them from a functional/engineering standpoint, but it does make them feel more generic compared to what they replaced.
Notice how that lines up with your newfound appreciation of HK and SIG Sauer pistols; both companies still offer their iconic hammer-fired designs, largely or completely unchanged, despite each company's own Glock clone surpassing them in popularity quite convincingly. |
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| Have a 4046, 4043, and a papered 5946 ex NYPD gun. We tested the 4046, 226, and Beretta 96 when we went to autos but the 4046 fit my hand like it was made for it. Changed out the curved back strap on the 59 to the flat of the 4046 just because of that. Absolutely solid guns. |
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| quote: Originally posted by j38: I'm a big fan of the CS9. It does what needs to be done for my situation.
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I don’t think a lot of folks realize just how small and light those CS9s were. I was never a Smith auto guy but the 3rd gen had some really good guns.
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| quote: Originally posted by MacGyver: The M&P pistols, while excellent, will never be as iconic as the 3rd-generation pistols. Nostalgia plays a factor for sure, but I also think that the 3rd-generation pistols benefit from the overall diversity of their era. Most mainstream pistols today, the M&P included, are Glock clones; this doesn't take anything away from them from a functional/engineering standpoint, but it does make them feel more generic compared to what they replaced.
Notice how that lines up with your newfound appreciation of HK and SIG Sauer pistols; both companies still offer their iconic hammer-fired designs, largely or completely unchanged, despite each company's own Glock clone surpassing them in popularity quite convincingly.
I think this is spot on. I like striker fired guns but I love hammer fired ones. I don’t think it’s all nostalgia but those 3rd Gen S&Ws and the Berettas are just smooth. |
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| ^^^It’s true that many of those older designs have stood the test of time for a reason. Beretta and CZ are maybe even better examples than SIG and HK, because their icons probably still account for the majority of their pistol sales volume, unlike SIG and HK. |
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| Have you considered the CSX-E Series? It's smaller than the Shield and hammer fired. |
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| I carried a first gen Shield for years and still would if not for the 365XL. They were available for a while at exceptionally low prices ($200ish) and were reliable, accurate and great parts availability. The XL is a tiny bit better for accuracy in my hands, but the Shield was more than good enough for the expected use. I still have it for just in case purposes.
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