I will be buying one of each the second they are available.

GJM AK, thanks for the follow-up post. That's some good info. Personally, I'm thrilled that they started with the J-Frame rather than the K. While the K-Frames are great guns, the Js are a more realistic practical revolver these days, as I think a deep concealment/BUG would describe most everyday revolver carriers (with bear defense/woods gun the next most popular application). I'm also happy to hear that they plan to produce a lot of these, as it increases my chances of actually being able to get my hands on one (or two).

The two-piece barrel isn't a bad thing, either. Like he said in the email, it makes for more consistent manufacturing tolerances, and the guns I own that are equipped with them shoot fantastic. I've had zero problems with them, and they actually tend to be more accurate than my older revolvers. I'll happily forego the traditional in favor of a better product.

Finally, I find it interesting that there's no mention in any of the marketing that the gun doesn't have a lock. I know that's going to be a huge selling point for a lot of people...why not promote it? Is the politics of S&W still unwilling to admit that it was a stupid idea to ever implement it in the first place?

Jason and Lipsey's are classy, I assume they feel no need to stick their finger in anyone's eye.

I'd ask they and S&W submit it to CA DOJ...we need those here on the left coast...

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I'd ask they and S&W submit it to CA DOJ...we need those here on the left coast...

S&W has gotten some revolvers on the roster in recent years. But I think the 642-1 never came off. There’s a no-lock version available

I haven't had a snubbie since the early 1980's (Colt); I recently traded into an M&P BG38 Bodyguard.

I updated the grips as I got a pretty good blister in the web of my hand after firing about 200 rounds to get used to the recoil impulse.

Groups below were from a rested position to determine accuracy of this little beastie.
I've got much work to do become proficient with it, though in the meantime I've been giving the snap caps a pretty good work out. Next I'll be installing an XS Big Dot front sight.

It's good to see other feedback as other models mentioned are certainly contenders for a future potential purchase

Video from Lipsey's on the new, "Ultimate Carry" j-frames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24b7MvVaL4I

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Video from Lipsey's on the new, "Ultimate Carry" j-frames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24b7MvVaL4I

GJM AK posted that 2 pages back, and there was about a page worth of discussion following, but I'm happy to start it again . I haven't been so excited about a new gun release in a long time!

Lipsey's Podcast with more info:

https://youtu.be/Gl4Jp_itluc?si=gIPyJ-qa383saAog

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I haven't had a snubbie since the early 1980's (Colt); I recently traded into an M&P BG38 Bodyguard. determine accuracy of this little beastie.

The M&P BG38 is a wildly under appreciated gun. I feel like it flew in under the radar somehow.

It’s lightweight, has no ILS and absorbs +p loads like a rockstar. And it’s incredibly affordable. I paid under $400 for my version without the laser.

I very rarely carry a BUG but when I do it’s my go-to gun.

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Originally posted by GJM AK:
Lipsey's Podcast with more info:

https://youtu.be/Gl4Jp_itluc?si=gIPyJ-qa383saAog

Thanks for the link...finally got a chance to watch it. Consulting with Bolke and Eastridge on this was a good call, those guys are a wealth of knowledge about practical revolver use.

A couple of observations/questions:

1. I love the 135gr Gold Dot Short Barrel load. I've actually killed stuff with it in the dark out of a snubby, and it works as advertised. But where did they actually find any to do the sight regulation testing on these guns? I haven't seen it on a shelf for years, and I've looked all over from Indiana and Ohio all the way down to Florida. I still have some projectiles that I bought as components that I've been hoarding. I can pretty easily replicate the velocities, but I don't have access to the same powders that the factory does and can't achieve the same low flash signature. It sucks when a company gets you to buy in on a product and then doesn't make enough to keep you supplied. I don't need a ton, just a few boxes for carry.

2. Do you have any more details on the changes they made to the geometry to improve the trigger pull? Does it involve new parts, and if so, which ones? Can those same changes be applied to an existing J-Frame? Is S&W considering making those changes to new production guns across the board? A J-Frame with a comparably smooth and light trigger pull to an LCR (but without the goofy reset) would be a sweet, sweet thing!

3. Do you have any idea what the grips weigh? VZ makes grips that feel good in the hand, but they tend to be kinda heavy, which is sort of counter-productive on an airweight pocket gun. I honestly really like the factory rubber J-Frame boot grips, so if the VZs aren't optimal it's a simple and cheap solution to just go back to those, but I'm just curious if you know numbers. The only way to really know for sure is I like them will be to put hands on them and shoot the gun for myself.

Darryl sent me this link that does a deeper dive on some of the design features. It is Patreon, but no cost to view.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/973815...tshare_creator

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Originally posted by GJM AK:
Darryl sent me this link that does a deeper dive on some of the design features. It is Patreon, but no cost to view.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/973815...tshare_creator

Thanks, the link didn't work but I think I found it:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/lipseys-uc-j-97381565

It's a good writeup, unfortunately he doesn't get into the details of the internal changes.

Jason from Lipsey's posted this on another forum.


Hey Everyone, still trying to get caught up from SHOT but I wanted to answer a few of the questions we had at the booth and some of the stuff I've seen asked here and elsewhere. Fortunately, this group is a little (ok a lot) more educated on J-Frames and their applications. To say that the response was overwhelming at SHOT is an understatement. Our center display in the booth with the 4 models was covered up most of the time 3 to 4 deep. Thankfully we had Darryl Bolke and Bryan Eastridge there to help me the whole first day and a lot of the time the rest of the days to help show the guns off to the lines of people. The three of us could recite the spec list in our sleep I'm sure.

The question I have seen the most is why no 327 Federal Magnum. Easy answer is the aluminum frame will not handle it. Same goes for the 9mm. We would have to go with a steel frame or the more expensive Scandium frame to do those chamberings. Not to say we won't do them later, but for this initial launch we wanted to stay at a more affordable price and lighter weight.

Some asked about moon clips and why we didn't incorporate it on the UC guns. First, myself and the SME's I talked to aren't fans of them for various reasons. Secondly, I was trying to fit this in at a particular price point and would not compromise on the sights, trigger, and grips. The math on adding the moon clips just didn't work.

What about the lack of 32 H&R Magnum ammo is another question I have seen. We notified several ammo companies months ago that we were about to put a large qty of 32 H&R's into the market. The smaller boutique companies can move quicker with guys like Ted at Lost River developing a load very quickly. A couple of other companies are working on adding more 32 H&R loads and in case you haven't seen it, Double Tap is now offering a 32 H&R snake shot load. I talked at length with Federal ammo's product manager and one of the silver linings to the 30 Super Carry is that their ability to switch that tooling over to 32 H&R Magnum and 327 Federal is fairly easy. A lot of development went into 32 caliber projectiles because of 30SC and what they learned translates well to the 32 H&R Magnum. I would anticipate some new offerings coming out later this year. I remember people having the same concerns about ammo when we launched the Ruger Flattop 44 Specials in 2009 and the Ruger Single Seven 327 Fed Mags in 2014. Both ended up being extremely big sellers for us despite limited ammo options and availability and remain popular today.

The frames and barrel sleeves are hard anodized aluminum. We asked S&W about DLC on those parts, but they advised that it doesn't work on aluminum. On the "black" 432 & 442 models the cylinders are carbon steel with a bead blasted black oxide finish. The 632 & 642 cylinders are just bead blasted stainless steel.

Currently, the VZ UC grip is exclusive to these guns. I had a good talk with VZ and we are looking into the ability to offer that grip as an aftermarket option later.,

I said it here before, but these will start to ship end of February to dealers. These are not a limited edition and are not already sold out. We plan on running them for as long as people are buying them and/or S&W will make them. S&W was extremely happy with our launch and are excited about the future of these models. They have been very good to work with on this project and like I alluded to before, we have lots of more things in the works.

Some people have said they called their dealer and the dealer said they are allocated so they can't order them. That's simply not the case. We (as well as all distributors) allocate new, or hard to get items so that our sales team can spread them around to more dealers. If we didn't allocate them, a small handful of big dealers could potentially buy them all up and then sell them at inflated prices online, etc. One thing to remember though, we have 55 in house sales reps that call on almost 20,000 active FFL customers. Our reps don't just sit back waiting for customers to call in orders. They are actively calling their customers selling to them. We had 22 reps at SHOT and they all told me all their dealers who came by and saw the guns wanted to order them. If you decide you want to order one, please get with your FFL dealer (we have a Dealer Finder on our website if you need assistance) and have them get with their sales rep. We will do our best to get these orders filled as fast as we can.

The interest in the 32 H&R so far has out weighed the 38 Special by a pretty large margin. My email inbox was flooded with consumer emails about these and 70% were asking about the 32. For those that think these models only appeal to a small niche, I think the response we had argues against that.

I got asked a lot if other chamberings, barrel lengths, etc. are being considered. All I can say is that I have a notebook on my desk that has about every configuration you can think of written out. Obviously some make sense and others would be way down in the weeds. I wanted this first one to appeal to the masses and be well received so that we can do some of the more niche stuff later. I understand you will never make everyone happy, but we try to do projects that speak to the most people we can. We had a lot of serious J-Frame SME's visit the booth and the response from them was all very positive and ended with I want one or in most cases I want multiples.

I'm sure I have missed a few other questions, but feel free to post them here and I'll do my best to get you an answer. We are going to do a follow up video too answering questions, but I wanted to get them out here first.

Thank you for your patience while I was out last week.

Jason

Thanks for the further update. I've seen a lot of comments on other boards about .327 and Moon clips, too. I'm not sure why folks are hung up on that. I'd rather have the cheaper gun in .32 H&R, personally, and I think building them to a price point that keeps them practical was a good call. And I'd never use moon clips for a carry reload. Too flimsy. My 640 Pro is cut for them and came with a couple...apart from a few trips to the range just to try them out, they've sat in the box.

I don't totally believe that commercial ammo is going to be readily available to feed the .32s...I haven't seen .32 H&R (or even .327 Mag for that matter) on the shelves around here in forever, and the way the market has been I just don't see that changing any time soon. I reload, so I don't really care...I'll make what I need. But all the folks interested in the .32 version of this gun should think that through.

I'd like the .32 version eventually, but I need the .38 more. Our SOP requires .380 or above for BUGs, so if I want to carry it on duty, it has to be the .38. I load and shoot a lot more .38, too, so even just for personal use it's more practical for me. Hopefully all the interest in the .32s will enable me to snag a .38 this year. Even if the .38s don't sell as fast, I expect it'll still be tough to get one around here any time soon. Rural Indiana doesn't tend to be a high priority region for most distributors when they're allocating limited stock.

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1. I love the 135gr Gold Dot Short Barrel load.

I have found it several times in the last year by setting up notifications on several online seller sites. You have to move quick because it goes fast.

I had a few 432s and a 431 but sold them because I hated the Hillary hole. The 32 H&R is a great round and I happen to still have a bunch of it, plus components to reload more, and a bunch of HKS speed loaders. This might be sign that at least one of these new Lipsey S&W revolvers should make their way to me.

The newly released S&W j-frames look like a great option, and no Hillary hole!

Just got off the phone with the nearest Lipsey's dealer, and got myself put on the call list for when these come in. He doesn't have a date yet, but hopefully not too far out, and hopefully I can snag one when they get them. Both guys I talked to immediately knew what I was talking about about, and apparently they've already placed an order for multiple units, so they're definitely on the radar locally.

I really like that Ultimate Carry in .38 special. May have to get on the list for that one.

In the meantime, Brownells has 642- no lock on sale plus the $50 SW rebate…