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Originally posted by pedropcola:
As much as I love Sig classics I have bought and sold all my 228's and don't miss them. Hope this doesn't get me kicked out of the forum. lol

Say it isn't so.

I have bought and sold multiples. They shoot well but they aren’t the special sauce for me. I still own multiples of the 226 and 225a1(blasphemy!) but I sold my last 228 years ago and never have been tempted to return.

Great gun but not for me.

I still get a chuckle from Sig alloy rail discussions though. Every other company makes a 9mm with an alloy frame but only Sig owners can write dozens of pages of discussion on the finer points of rail wear. lol. Always gets me smiling.

Obligatory pics of the Glock with Tac light..

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Originally posted by r0gue:
Obligatory pics of the Glock with Tac light..

Obligatory, "2002 called..." comment.
Come on man, 70 lumens?

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Originally posted by iron chef:

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Originally posted by r0gue:
Obligatory pics of the Glock with Tac light..

Obligatory, "2002 called..." comment.
Come on man, 70 lumens?

Ut oh! Is my light anemic!?

I Googled the TLR-2 and I see it is 300 lumens. Is the TLR-2 the go to light to choose, full-stop?

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Originally posted by r0gue:
Were you serious that the Tac light was somehow more of a novelty collectible now? Or was that to mean there are better ones now, and I should upgrade?

That particular one? Yes, it’s obsolete. The concept of a light on a defensive gun these days is considered critical. That one in particular is wildly outclassed. My suggestion? Forego the laser and just throw a light on it. A TLR-7 HLX or TLR-1 HLX will do you very nicely.

I didn't realize the TLR-2 was still in production. Something from the TLR-8 series is much smaller, much brighter, and comes in red or green laser.

I won't say 300 lumens is insufficient, but I will say it is on the low side of WMLs these days. 500 lumens is the minimum to be competitive in today's market.

If you must have a laser, Olight also has some good combination light/laser offerings.

If you prefer Glock, Glock released a 600 lumen Tactical Light II earlier this year.

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I'm curious on your thoughts on the matter. You guys often have insights I'd not considered.

Back in 2005, I made the switch from SIG da/sa pistols (after 15 years of use as my duty, off-duty, training, teaching, and competing guns - LOTS of rounds through them during those years.) I switched over to the Glock 19 pistols.

The 19s have been my primary "do all" guns since them. In total now, I have owned 32 Glock 19s, Gen 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s. (My first 19 was back in 1988 - but I only kept it for a month or so, decided to go with another system for my first duty gun at that time.) I played around with the Shadow Systems MR918s and 920s for a bit - my choice down the road if I go with a red dot system.

I currently have two Wilson Combat Vickers Gen 5 19s, these two will probably serve me through the rest of my time on this rock. They get two thumbs up from me (even with the price point being a "bit" on the high side... )

I have a fondness for some of the SIG Da/Sa pistols, the P239 9mm being my favorite, my duty P226 9mm and P220 .45 also. But I have no desire to really use one for anything at this point.

Nostalgia is o.k. at times, but it is what it is.

Good luck on your decision.

Ok, I'm in on the light replacement! Guess I've been sleeping on that one. I am 100% a believer that a home defense gun should have a light. I do prefer the laser too, as I feel in a stressful night time situation, that I'll be looking at the target, and not the sights. Know thyself...

That G19 looks like it has the infamous "Frying Pan" finish. Definitely keep that bad boy for business, and get the SIG P228 for pleasure.

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Originally posted by elberettas:
That G19 looks like it has the infamous "Frying Pan" finish. Definitely keep that bad boy for business, and get the SIG P228 for pleasure.

Is that a good thing? They don't have that finish now? It's some sort of Teflon, right? It's been a long time since I've been into a gun shop.

The finish on them is a nice coating in addition to the Tenifer. It's a nicer finish than the chalky ones.

I recently bought a Glock 26 from a local dealer who had it for sale with a Streamlight TLR-6 on it. I thought about selling the light but now I think I like it because it has both the light and laser on it, like you prefer. It is a nice combo and while it is only 100 lumen, the LED seems brighter and whiter than that and it is much better than the old Glock light bulb even though it is only 70 lumen I believe. My wife still has an original Glock light on her gen 3 19. She likes it but likes the laser on mine more.

As much as I would like to get a da/sa pistol now, I just don't shoot them well. I don't seem to transition well from da to sa, which I know takes practice. It is funny because I shoot my da/sa revolvers with good accuracy in da mode. The P228, original, is just a classic gun and well made. I liked the one I had but if I had one now, it would be a safe queen as I just shoot/prefer striker fired guns better. While there are many guns that are nicer/cooler looking the a Glock, the Glocks and clones, have their place and are boringly reliable and accurate with a single type trigger pull.

Lumens factory makes a drop in LED conversion for the Glock lights that boost them to 500 lumens.

https://www.lumensfactory.com/...t_detail.php?pid=393

As for the Glock 19 in the nightstand, I prefer a full size with 17+ round mags. Trade it for a Glock 17 or Glock 45.

Every home defense gun should absolutely have a flashlight mounted which has been beaten to death in this thread already so the P228 is out.

If you are in the mood for something new the CZ P10F, HK VP9, and Echelon are better versions of the polymer striker in my opinion. Still a Glock fanboy but I love these three pistols more.

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Originally posted by r0gue:

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Originally posted by elberettas:
That G19 looks like it has the infamous "Frying Pan" finish. Definitely keep that bad boy for business, and get the SIG P228 for pleasure.

Is that a good thing? They don't have that finish now? It's some sort of Teflon, right? It's been a long time since I've been into a gun shop.

Good thing for sure. I saw a guy at a gun shop pull out his pocket knife and scrape the blade against the slide of a GLOCK with said finish once. The slide had several scratches and scrapes afterwards. He then wiped it off with his T-shirt and explained that the silver "scratches" on the slide were actually metal flakes that came off of his knife blade from being scraped against the extremely hard and durable coating that GLOCK used at the time. I was very impressed.

Does that light have a grenade launcher?

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Originally posted by r0gue:
Were you serious that the Tac light was somehow more of a novelty collectible now? Or was that to mean there are better ones now, and I should upgrade?

That particular one? Yes, it’s obsolete. The concept of a light on a defensive gun these days is considered critical. That one in particular is wildly outclassed. My suggestion? Forego the laser and just throw a light on it. A TLR-7 HLX or TLR-1 HLX will do you very nicely.

Always keep the 19, you will never have a problem with parts or accessories, you'd probably even be able to find them on the dark side of the moon if need be. Buy the 228 as a reminder of things past.

c4

Keep in mind the P228R produced in 2009 with the light rail integrated into the frame.

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Originally posted by patw:
As much as I would like to get a da/sa pistol now, I just don't shoot them well. I don't seem to transition well from da to sa, which I know takes practice. It is funny because I shoot my da/sa revolvers with good accuracy in da mode.

Were they all factory guns or did you try ones with trigger work on them? Most factory guns are about 12# in DA while springs from LTT or Cajun Gun Works can easily get a 92 or a CZ75 down to an 8# DA that keeps the gun reliable.

I posted this a little while ago. I really like it better than my original, 1989 vintage P228.

My new M11-A1, may be my best Sig
I was just sitting here handling and looking at my new M11-A1 I received a week ago. Haven’t been to the range yet since I am awaiting a Sig P229c I ordered several days ago.

I was wondering, why do I like this M11 so much? Then as I was looking at my classic “John Wayne” coffee cup it hit me, it is because I love older with a touch of new technology that actually works.



This gun is perfect for me.

1. It reminds me of my first P228 I bought in 1989.
2. It has no rail which I prefer.
3. I love the decock system of these older Sigs.
4. Although I prefer the white dot front and white bar rear sight picture, these new night sights seem pretty nice.
5. The SRT trigger seems great.
6. With all the trauma going on with Sig, this gun seems to bring me back into my comfort zone. It is almost as if Sig was saying to me, “We are still here”.



Just some thoughts.

Trooper Joe