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Hey, I never said I thought bump stocks were smart or safe. I said they were safer than this dumbass idea. At least with a bump stock if you decide to stop you do an ingrained natural reaction. You take your finger off the trigger. I do ride the reset on my handguns. I can also very easily tell you that at times I miss the reset and the slack comes out. No big deal right? Except with a binary trigger that slight “miss” just launched an unintentional shot. I will raise your “tell me you’ve never fired a binary trigger” with “tell me how glad I am I don’t have to shoot with guys like you”. Binary triggers are fundamentally unsafe. If you disagree I think your position is idiotic. | |||
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To put a lot of lead in the air PDQ. Also, stickin' it to the G. | |||
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Does that mean my standard trigger is "non-binary?" | |||
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I don't need one. I don't think I want one. I don't think they're "irresponsible" or inherently "unsafe". I do think they would take exclusive use with no other trigger types in order to be "negligent discharge free". Heck, I have enough trouble switching from regular Glock triggers to DA/SA without messing up! Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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Call it a premonition but I see in our future a LOT of errant second shots going over the backstop downrange. And more than a few indoor ceiling strikes. -MG | |||
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I don't see any ranges or respected training outfits allowing these types of devices. What's the old adage about being responsible for every shot fired? I'd question the responsibility and experience of anyone I saw using one of these devices. Joe Back in Tx. | |||
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I believe the Glock trigger was first shown at the 2022 SHOT Show. At that time braces were still legit, and Franklin’s demo video showing off the trigger was largely on braced pistols. Since their existing catalog was triggers for rifle or braced-pistol platforms, this was an offering for the popular Glock. Fast forward to now, the market of shooters willing to Form 1 a Glock compared to using a brace is tiny. It isn’t as attractive a product as it was when braces weren’t verboten, but it is good to see this offered for shooters who want to buy it. I have comfortably shot firearms with binary triggers without putting holes in ceilings, walls, or my fellow shooters. I started slow with taking at least 4 seconds to pull and release the trigger, ensuring I’m safely aiming at the target. After a few magazines I wasn’t at the same rate as a machine gun, but could quickly and safely empty a magazine. Not for everyone, but I like them! | |||
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I certainly would NOT be interested in a binary trigger for a pistol. However, I have to say that I have a friend with several shoulder fired weapons, mostly 9mm PCCs and a Ruger 10/22 which have binary triggers, and I have fired all of them at the range. I found them to be very useful for accurate double tap shots and, as long as you’re not trying to replicate a long string of machine gun like fire, they were easily controllable, allowed for extremely fast and accurate double taps, and seemed pretty safe to me. By the way, even if you have the trigger set to binary mode, you can still pull the trigger, fire one shot, and then flip the switch back to single shot mode if you don’t want the second shot to fire. The only real danger I see in them is if someone picked up the gun and didn’t know it had a binary trigger which was in the “on” setting, and then fired it. No more dangerous than a full auto weapon that someone didn’t realize was set to full auto mode. The Ruger 10/22 was especially fun. | |||
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Nah, the standard trigger is 0 and 1, exactly binary in computer terms. The "binary" trigger is very non-binary, but its okay it identifies as such here. ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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