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Honky Lips |
New Version of the P365, for ladies. https://www.sigsauer.com/rose 380 and XLcomp versions both with a safety. | ||
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I just found out about ROSE by SIG Sauer a couple hours ago too. It looks as if it was lifted out of S&W Ladysmith marketing from the 1980s. I know we have mixed feelings on here about Sig's special editions: Spectre, Scorpion, Equinox, Elite, etc, and let's not leave out rainbow PVD finished slides either. ROSE takes a page out of the Legion playbook by offering exclusive membership benefits to customers who purchase a ROSE edition Sig. Hey Sig, how long do we have to wait for a ROSE challenge coin? Unfortunately, ROSE's quiet product launch was unable to escape a bit of controversy. I'm going to cut & paste some unflattering comments posted on Sig's FB page, b/c they're likely to be deleted.
Finally, from Marie Pace's FB page:
  Edited to correct "Maria" to "Marie".This message has been edited. Last edited by: iron chef, | |||
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Prepared for the Worst, Providing the Best |
Well, the website is down now....wonder if that's intentional? | |||
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I see both sides of it.... kind of hard to copyright the word 'Rose'... but I'm sure there are a couple thousand lawyers who would disagree with me. They did ask her to be a part and she declines... Also, starting a program to teach women to shoot and defend themselves is nothing new and I would venture that it has been done way before the 'tactical rose' folks claim to have invented it. My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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Raptorman |
Well, they sure couldn't call it a Daisy. How about Black Eyed Susan, Never Again Edition? Tabs has her sugar skull Glock for if she has to use it, they will discover what day of the dead truly is. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
Lawyers will sort this out. I'm sure SIG's lawyers had already took a hard look at this and gave the nod to go forward. Maybe 'Marie Pace's lawyers filed a 'Cease & Desist' and SIG decided to pull things down temporarily while the legal issues get sorted out. All pure speculation on my part...  Regarding the 'copyright' claim, though IANAL, I believe what they actually would've/should've/could've filed for would be a 'Trademark', which protects the use of a company's name and its product names, brand identity (like logos) and slogans. We'll see soon enough if that's what they did. We're really only hearing one side of the story here, so who knows...If SIG has actually engaged in trademark infringement, that would be a MAJOR fuck up on their part, and a MAJOR fail by their corporate attorneys! Time will tell... All that said, it's hard not to notice how petty those facebook posts are...Of course, it's just like most everything else on facebook!  ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Sorry, what's the issue? I looked over this thread but I still don't understand why people are upset. A concept was ripped off? A name? And this stuff about many people never again buying a SIG over this? Please. Let's get hold of ourselves. I do think I'd be interested in one of those Rose challenge coins, though. | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
Well, I've heard of Lena Miculek. I've never heard of Maria Pace. People like to tribe, and I get that, but shitting all over Lena because she's a competitive shooter isn't a great look. After a quick search, this "Tactical Rose" group seems to only exist as a private Facebook group. You can't market that. As for trademarking "rose" in connection with guns, I mean, good luck. Sig's site is up and running. Whoever this Maria Pace lady is, she doesn't have the name recognition any Miculek is going to have in the shooting sports. Sorry. That sucks, but maybe she should've tried to carve out a piece for herself instead of making herself easy to totally cut out of the picture. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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| The Ice Cream Man |
I don’t think the “Tactical Rose” people actually had a trademark. Not sure they actually had an entity/were in the marketplace under that name. | |||
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What is scary is that in America Sig might have the upper hand. Crazy as that sounds. If Sig has/will trademark the name Rose and it’s firearm connection and is successful they could come back around and force Ms Pace to change her programs name potentially. Not a lawyer but that doesn’t seem far fetched. At all. Ms Pace upon that first email should have trademarked everything in her program that she could. Bucc-ees goes after any marsupial toy that is sold at gas stations. And win usually. | |||
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| Shall Not Be Infringed |
Well, a closer look at the webpage (which IS up!) and the downloadable 'Rose' Target indicates they've got links to a private group on facebook [rosecommunitysigsauer] as well as links to Rose accounts to follow on Twitter [rose_sigsauer] and Instagram [rose.sigsauer]. Curiously, if you look at the 'Rose' webpage, you'll notice that graphic for the private facebook community group indicates nearly 20,000 members, but if you click on the 'join the community' link, it indicates only 1700 members. Regardless, I'm thinking Marie Pace is gonna have an uphill battle fighting against SIG on this. Maybe all of SIGforum's facebook inclined female members, and any significant others so inclined as well, should all sign up for the community group, and again, if inclined to use the platform(s), follow Rose on Twitter and Instagram to, you know, 'show our support'! ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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| Leatherneck |
She said she’s not fighting it. “Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014 | |||
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Yep, from an intellectual property law standpoint, the argument would be, "If you didn't bother to trademark your branding, logos, etc, then you must not be bothered by others copying or imitating them." Having a women's-only shooting class/club/support group is nothing groundbreaking or original, but damn Sig, did you have to be so blatant about ripping off a small business? The Legion concept is not original either, but I'm certain Sig would not take things lightly if another gun manufacturer put out their own line of Legion pistols. I could see the arguments: "Sig's Legions are gray; ours are bronze. Sig's Legion logo is a chevron; our Legion logo is a butter bar. You can't confuse the two. Our Legion group and line of guns has nothing to do w/ Sig." There's nothing original about a photo w/ a handgun & pocket knife positioned together, but I remember many years ago a lot of members here were displeased by someone using the P225 & Delica SF homepage photo screen-printed on t-shirts, mugs, mousepads, etc for sale. It isn't (or at the time wasn't) trademarked. That doesn't change the fact that it was ripped-off. | |||
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| Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished |
She might have been able to trademark "Tactical Rose" and probably still can, but I doubt "Rose" can be trademarked. It seems to me that's like trying to trademark "Milk". I've been wrong before though. Anyway, Sig wanted to talk to her about her company "Tactical Rose" and she said no. It was nice of them to ask but I don't see the issue here. There's nothing to fight over. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
I see. In that case, whatever has happened is none of our business as far as I'm concerned. | |||
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Slightly off topic, but I keep wondering if this 36 year old major corporation is ever going to object to the name of S&W’s pistol: CSX Transportation On the subject of SIG’s Rose product line, the women in my family aren’t big fans of the cliche of pink products for “girls.” I generally like the wholistic product, training, and team building concept, but I think they’d have preferred purple, silver, or maybe platinum accents to make the pistol line a little more attractive without resorting to pink. ____________________________________________________ "We are being slaughtered." - Unidentified Insurgent, Operation Restoring Rights, Tall Afar, Iraq, September 2005 | |||
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I could see it attracting some women to firearms but I personally don't care for the rose gold accents/plating on some newer guns either. | |||
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