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Originally posted by pedropcola:
So only US manufactured blocks count towards their “millions”. Gotcha.

jjc is just mad that he forgot the concept of importing foreign-made goods existed.

Yes, Glocks have been manufactured in the millions, somewhere north of 7 million. What a failure! What a piece of shit!

PSA Daggers? Let's see...

63, 64, 65...

66 Gaggers err Daggers have been manufactured. Pretty soon, they'll break a hundred!

Glocks have proven for me and for countless others to be ultra-reliable. I have quite a choice of house guns, SIGs included. I choose a G17. For carry, I choose a G19 or G26, depending, and I choose a G42 for a backup, always. These pistols have confidence-inspiring reliability. If I need an "apocalypse pistol"- guess what it would be?

There's no "I like Glocks, but..." There's only "I like Glocks."

Anyone who thinks that that means I don't like or admire or own other pistols, is mistaken.

Regarding SIG-Sauer- yes, in this forum, we hold SIG to a very high standard, and when they disappoint, we bitch to high Heaven. Figure it out.

Listen- I get it some people can’t stand Glocks - that’s ok because there are a lot of other options.

I learned in my masters degree program to never state an opinion / assumption as fact unless I had my facts to form the foundation of it - you know - evidence to support it. The OP is now learning this lesson because he made some statements without any substantive evidence. Stainless vs carbon steel? Does he know what type of stainless vs what type of carbon steel because there are a multitude of options.

All I’ve got is 30+ professional experience with Glock. So my info is all just anecdotal over dozens of guns (both mine personally and my departments). I’ve carried or owned every major manufacturer and I keep coming back to Glicm because they are utterly reliable and work for me.

As has been stated, why does anyone who dislikes Glocks (op), care if someone else does (like me) ? I buy them, carry them, and shoot them alot. They are not perfect. They are pretty good. If OP likes other brands then have at it. Its a free country at least for now.
So, no more wasted time on this thread for me at least

The OP was all about validation of his choice and his insecurity. He felt the need to diminish Glock brand to make himself feel better about his choice.

I could care less what anyone shoots and as long as they are happy with their choice for THEIR needs I see no need to bash others of their more expensive choices but some just can't help themselves. I do appreciate Para keeing this crap to a minimum and nipping it in the bud. On lesser forums a thread such as this would go on for dozens of pages and months of time and be dragged back to live every so often.

Hell I buy cheap tools sometimes at Harbor Freight. I needed a large combination wrench that I needed for a one time job and with a 20 percent coupon I got a set of Pittsburg wrenches with like 16 wrenches in it for around $9. The wrench worked and I still have it but I won't go on a mechanics or handyman forum and rant about how they are just as good as Snap On wrenches. On the other hand my life did not depend on that wrench like a firearm might and I spend more to get a well proven firearm. The Dagger may well prove to be a good firearm but it is way to early to know for sure. With Glocks like the 19/17/45 and others it is well known to be good to go with a very low rate of problematic Glocks out of the box.

I cannot naturally "point" a Glock. So, I do not have one.

This is the first time I have ever said anything about a Glock, and likely the only time, and I am a post whore. Cuz, I don't have any reason to denigrate another man's choices.

And only said it to say, you don't have to be an asshole, unless your simply an asshole.

You could have created a discussion on the Dagger and all the information that would have flowed about them, and Glocks and a few other pistols as conversations are wont to do, but, nope, you shot yourself in the ass in front of everyone like the only DEA agent in the room qualified to do that.

Oh well.

"...and another one gone, and another one gone.
Another one bites the dust...

Prefer hammer fired old school SIG P22x pistols, but have to respect that Glocks work and work very reliably. As one gunsmith said, “They have no soul, but they do work.”

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As has been stated, why does anyone who dislikes Glocks (op), care if someone else does (like me) ?

IMO, the OP is lkely just trolling, but I agree with your train of thought here. I actually love it when I find a gun that I like that everybody else hates. It means I can find them cheap! Too bad most folks aren't going to be suckered into buying PSA clones instead of Glocks to drive prices down !

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Originally posted by slosig:
Prefer hammer fired old school SIG P22x pistols

Actually, I do too.

But, that just messes with my ability to control the narrative.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by slosig:
Prefer hammer fired old school SIG P22x pistols

Actually, I do too.

But, that just messes with my ability to control the narrative.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good rant…

The OP is trolling. He's throwing a brick through a plate glass window and then feigning surprise that not everyone approves.

Like Glocks or hate them, it's hard to argue against them being a hugely successful design.

Glock pistols changed the industry. Just about every major manufacturer now sells a polymer pistol influenced by the Glock.

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Originally posted by jjc:
So I admit I've owned Glocks through the years. I've listened to all the bologna about how Glocks were perfection and Glock sold millions more than any gun. So it interested me when I saw the Governments published data that lists every SINGLE gun produced in the USA by every manufacture in the USA.
Sig manufactured 697.000 guns plus the guns it exported in 2019. Glock manufactured 279,000 plus 44,000 it exported in 2019. Smith&W produced hundreds of thousands more guns than Glock and Ruger the largest gun Mfg. in the world sold tons more guns.
Now we have PSA producing a Glock 19 clone for $299 that has a better build and has higher quality parts than Glock guns in every measurable way. And there are other clones that are superior to Glocks. that are more costly but offer highly custom parts in them.

So what can Glock truly talk about going forward, Glock is over priced, of lesser quality and sells no where the amount of guns they lead us to believe they did.

Lastly their big selling point of it's, perfection, it's really just sales gimmick, Glocks has had more problems with it's guns than any other major Manufacture, I see Glock losing ground going forward tech, quality and price is passing them up.

Why care? does it really matter in the grand scheme of things.

FWIW Sig dropped the ball on the whole drop fire debacle, and it pissed me off, but yet I still carry 320's by choice.
Why, because, they work for me, and I could care less what anyone else thinks about them.



TXPO

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Originally posted by Jimmo952:
The OP is trolling.

Perhaps, perhaps not. You don't know it to a certainty. I can tell you from a couple of decades of reading lots of this kind of stuff, that some of these guys are as serious as they can be.

Either way, what's the harm? He's gone now, and in his wake, he's left some entertainment for the forum.

The best of trolls maintain an even strain for long periods of posting, so that there is ambiguity in what they post, leading readers to wonder what they meant by their remarks. This guy- well, there was no doubt about his stance on Glocks and his beloved Gagger.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by slosig:
Prefer hammer fired old school SIG P22x pistols

Actually, I do too.

But, that just messes with my ability to control the narrative.

How’s Frank doing?

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Originally posted by Jimmo952:
The OP is trolling. He's throwing a brick through a plate glass window and then feigning surprise that not everyone approves.

Like Glocks or hate them, it's hard to argue against them being a hugely successful design.

Glock pistols changed the industry. Just about every major manufacturer now sells a polymer pistol influenced by the Glock.

And just look at Glock in competition circles too. I never heard of the Dagger 'till this thread came along. I got some first hand experience machining after market slides for Lone Wolf. I would bet Glock has ways of doing things which the copy cats wish they could do. I wont even go into quality. Glock is the evolved real deal when it comes to a great weapon. The darn Gen 5 guns are probably some of their best yet. Knowing what I know, I wouldn't bet the farm on any copy.

We control the freakin' horizontal and the freakin' vertical.

My first car, which I still have, is my 67 Pontiac GTO. I've driven GMC trucks, a Buick, my 67 Olds 4-4-2, Chevy Tahoe, a Dodge Durango (only new car I've ever owned), wife's 4Runner, a Honda that was given to me. I liked 'em all.

My Goat is my favorite, but I see no reason to piss on everyone else who drives something else.

I don't own any Glocks, and I came super close to buying a used on from AIM (they have a lot), but they keep listing used 226's, so I keep buying them! I will own a Glock....but not yet!

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
I will own a Glock....but not yet!

It is written.

A short time after joining this forum I felt the same way about 'the Glock discussions' here and made a post about it. Para jumped on me about it and rightly so, but I tend to stray back that way on occasion.. sorry. I spent a year or two being amused at the "you will buy a Glock" thread... knowing that I would never buy one... I know some of you have a hard time wrapping your heads around it, but I don't really like the way they look... too boxy ... I like curves. But as I posted before... I now own 3 and once you own and hold one they aren't half as bad as I imagined. Another point... the 3 Glocks I've bought were all purchased from members here. Here is a picture of my work van's security system:

A Glock 19/17 is pretty much bomb proof for a Carry, Duty, House gun or SHTF pistol. Glock mags always work. Holsters easy to find. Stock iron sites aren't the greatest but you can use them and hit pretty accurately with them. Lots of Pistol Training classes will have students showing up with Glocks.