Quality hammer-fired 9mm handguns?

June 15, 2025, 05:21 PM

OttoSig

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Originally posted by bac1023:
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Originally posted by OttoSig:
That whole pile could be described as the finest handgun ever made. Bet there’s also a lot of flat shooters in there.

Considering the term is widely used on practically every handgun forum for the past couple decades and will absolutely continue to be, I’m sure there is.

Flat shooting pistols are awesome. Guess you don’t compete?

The term gender-fluid is also widely used. Look, I respect your collection, but I also feel you hold yourself to a higher opinion than most because of it. I’m genuinely giving you a light ribbing about it.

The fact that you counter with it being widely used means you’re missing the point that the phrase can’t be overly used to the point that it doesn’t hold meaning. That’s just math, don’t be upset, I promise it’s just teasing. I’d love to shoot half your collection. But also understand that a lot of aren’t in a group of, “can’t afford”. We’re just in a group that has different interests and desires.

June 15, 2025, 05:49 PM

bac1023

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
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Originally posted by bac1023:
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Originally posted by OttoSig:
That whole pile could be described as the finest handgun ever made. Bet there’s also a lot of flat shooters in there.

Considering the term is widely used on practically every handgun forum for the past couple decades and will absolutely continue to be, I’m sure there is.

Flat shooting pistols are awesome. Guess you don’t compete?

The term gender-fluid is also widely used. Look, I respect your collection, but I also feel you hold yourself to a higher opinion than most because of it. I’m genuinely giving you a light ribbing about it.

The fact that you counter with it being widely used means you’re missing the point that the phrase can’t be overly used to the point that it doesn’t hold meaning. That’s just math, don’t be upset, I promise it’s just teasing. I’d love to shoot half your collection. But also understand that a lot of aren’t in a group of, “can’t afford”. We’re just in a group that has different interests and desires.

I hear you

I honestly don’t use the term often and I never said anyone couldn’t afford what they want. I certainly understand different interests and priorities. I don’t have kids and if I did, my priorities would likely be much different. That being so, I am more free to spend funds on hobbies, handguns being one of them and also one that has turned into a good investment for me.

I have spent a lot of time researching and working with importers to acquire some rare stuff I have over the years, none of which I’ve posted in this thread.

June 15, 2025, 05:58 PM

parabellum

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Originally posted by bac1023:
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Originally posted by OttoSig:
That whole pile could be described as the finest handgun ever made. Bet there’s also a lot of flat shooters in there.
Considering the term is widely used on practically every handgun forum for the past couple decades and will absolutely continue to be, I’m sure there is.

Flat shooting pistols are awesome. Guess you don’t compete?

Shut your mouth for a while.

I'm not asking.

You don't run jack shit around here. You don't brace me and you do not get the last word, and that's a guarantee. No one else here is disrespectful of their host, just you. Remember that you're a guest.

I'll come into this thread and any other thread in this forum and say what I want, because this is my Goddamned house, not yours. I built this place and I watch over it every day and I have earned the right to speak my mind and to not have to bandy words with people like you.

I don't like the way you flaunt your precious Goddamned collection to the working men who make up the majority of this forum. Just who in the fuck do you think you are, you fucking prima donna with an AmEx card?

You are VERY confused.

Just be quiet.

June 15, 2025, 06:25 PM

Lt CHEG

I’m picking up a whiff of Zeleny.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

June 15, 2025, 06:50 PM

parabellum

Zeleny was a highly intelligent man, one of the smartest people ever to be a member of this forum, but he was infected by academia and had a steel rod up his ass and he could never be comfortable among we peasants. Also, he clashed with certain high-visibility members and that, ultimately, was his undoing.

He was a valuable contributor with regards to the P210 and if he could have simply been more genuine and relatable, he would be welcome here still.

June 15, 2025, 07:26 PM

parabellum

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Originally posted by bac1023:
Considering the term is widely used on practically every handgun forum for the past couple decades and will absolutely continue to be, I’m sure there is.

Twice I have explained to you why the term is misapplied when it comes to handguns and now I am telling you that it matters not how many people are misapplying the term; they're still misapplying it. No doubt what happened was someone, having heard the correct application of the term 'flat-shooting' used it incorrectly, and then others who didn't know any better picked up on it, and even if ten thousand people are misapplying it, it's still incorrect.

Towsend Whelen popularized this term in his writings beginning early in the 20th Century. Whelen- a rifle shooter- coined the term to refer to flatter ballistic trajectories of rifles, and not until the past few years (certainly not the "couple of decades" you claim) have I begun to hear this stuff.

In this forum, we apply the term correctly.

June 15, 2025, 09:12 PM

Lt CHEG

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Zeleny was a highly intelligent man, one of the smartest people ever to be a member of this forum, but he was infected by academia and had a steel rod up his ass and he could never be comfortable among we peasants. Also, he clashed with certain high-visibility members and that, ultimately, was his undoing.

He was a valuable contributor with regards to the P210 and if he could have simply been more genuine and relatable, he would be welcome here still.

I remember many of his posts fondly. He was an absolute encyclopedia of P210 knowledge, and there’s no question I learned a few things from him. His complete inflexibility and apparent inability to comprehend that anyone else could potentially have an informed, intelligent perspective that differed from his made him absolutely insufferable at times. He was a show-off and it made him very unlikable at times.

June 15, 2025, 09:26 PM

flesheatingvirus

So much pinkie out in this thread I need to put on eye protection. You'd think the world-class collection photos would have been taken on wool carpet. Berber at a MINIMUM.

All the bullshit aside, still a cool collection.

To the OP, lots of personal opinion in this area of what is "quality". I feel like methods of construction are just as important. You can tell a hand-fitted semiauto when you pick it up and play with it a bit.

June 15, 2025, 09:31 PM

bac1023

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Shut your mouth for a while.

I'm not asking.

You don't run jack shit around here. You don't brace me and you do not get the last word, and that's a guarantee. No one else here is disrespectful of their host, just you. Remember that you're a guest.

I'll come into this thread and any other thread in this forum and say what I want, because this is my Goddamned house, not yours. I built this place and I watch over it every day and I have earned the right to speak my mind and to not have to bandy words with people like you.

I don't like the way you flaunt your precious Goddamned collection to the working men who make up the majority of this forum. Just who in the fuck do you think you are, you fucking prima donna with an AmEx card?

You are VERY confused.

Just be quiet.

quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Zeleny was a highly intelligent man, one of the smartest people ever to be a member of this forum, but he was infected by academia and had a steel rod up his ass and he could never be comfortable among we peasants. Also, he clashed with certain high-visibility members and that, ultimately, was his undoing.

He was a valuable contributor with regards to the P210 and if he could have simply been more genuine and relatable, he would be welcome here still.

quote:
Twice I have
explained to you why the term is misapplied when it comes to handguns and now I am telling you that it matters not how many people are misapplying the term; they're still misapplying it. No doubt what happened was someone, having heard the correct application of the term 'flat-shooting' used it incorrectly, and then others who didn't know any better picked up on it, and even if ten thousand people are misapplying it, it's still incorrect.

Towsend Whelen popularized this term in his writings beginning early in the 20th Century. Whelen- a rifle shooter- coined the term to refer to flatter ballistic trajectories of rifles, and not until the past few years (certainly not the "couple of decades" you claim) have I begun to hear this stuff.

In this forum, we apply the term correctly.

Yeah I don’t think so, Para. I’m not in the least bit confused and I’m not changing who I am online just because you’re an immature, envious, blowhard who’s always on some laughable power trip. Sad that your life is so empty that you need to trail me like a little puppy dog, jumping at my beck and call in a feeble attempt to discredit anything I say. You’re so pathetically predictable. Outside your little world of minions, you don’t add up to jack shit. I post what I post and have been for a long time. I’ve fielded countless PM’s over the years, giving people all kinds of advice, helping them with their purchases, etc. I’m not changing that for anyone, least of all your sorry ass who hasn’t come close to doing that. I’ve got more forum followers than you could achieve in three lifetimes.

You built a forum and I built a business that employees hundreds of good people. You do what you do and I do the same. PERIOD.

The term “flat shooting” is used CONSTANTLY in the way I’m telling you it is. You want to continue being an ignoramus, go for it. People are laughing at you.

Michael Zeleny is a friend of mine and we have done much business together. He’s not missing anything here and he’s far too sophisticated to tolerate your vulgar, primitive BS. I should have taken his advice years ago. Now I will. It’s been real.

I’m sure your astronomical ego won’t allow you to leave this post up and that’s ok. At least you’ll read it. By the way, your software is in the Stone Age. Do yourself a favor and upgrade.