I still need to purchase retirement pistol before the end of the year. The CZ Scorpion EVO S3 did not work out, too much bolt recoil. Only shot it once.

Does anyone have any experience with Wilson Combat 92G Brigadier vs. Centurion Tacticals? With my tendernitis I love shooting my 226 MK25, and carry my M11-A1. Purpose is for HD, Social Chaos, Range. I might carry it in a bag during times of social unrest. I have also considered the HK USP 9mm but cannot find any ranges in No. VA to test the pistol.

Thanks.

Ted Yost browning hipower from estate sporting limited.

CZ Shadow 2 from Cajun Gunworks .
Around $1700.00 fully tricked out .

maybe call Colonial or Dominion in RVA to see if they have a HK,,and do a day trip to try the HK out?

I’ve shot 3 different custom CZ pistols and they were all impressive. Super nice triggers on them. Really enjoyable to shoot.

Have you thought of a Dan Wesson 1911 style in 9 mm? low recoil.
Also get a 22 rimfire pistol if you do not have one already. Ruger MK IV is my choice. Follows me to the range on almost every trip and is cheap to shoot and EZ to clean.

I'll second the Motion for a Tuned by Cajun/CZ Custom, PO1 or CZ 75. I have both and they are a JOY to shoot. A Shadow 2 would make the list as well.

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Originally posted by sig operator:
Have you thought of a Dan Wesson 1911 style in 9 mm? low recoil.
Also get a 22 rimfire pistol if you do not have one already. Ruger MK IV is my choice. Follows me to the range on almost every trip and is cheap to shoot and EZ to clean.

Thanks for the suggestions Sig Operator. I already have the Mark IV 22/45 lite as well as other 22's. I have thought about a 1911 but SAO is not my style. Thanks anyway.

If you love shooting your 226. Why don't you send it to Grayguns and have them totally trick it out?

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
If you love shooting your 226. Why don't you send it to Grayguns and have them totally trick it out?

This. Or, I was going to suggest a nice revolver, but then I caught the part about tendonitis so I don't know if that's an option.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:
If you love shooting your 226. Why don't you send it to Grayguns and have them totally trick it out?

Thought about that but I just want another gun for my collection

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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
Does anyone have any experience with Wilson Combat 92G Brigadier vs. Centurion Tacticals? With my tendernitis I love shooting my 226 MK25, and carry my M11-A1. Purpose is for HD, Social Chaos, Range. I might carry it in a bag during times of social unrest. I have also considered the HK USP 9mm but cannot find any ranges in No. VA to test the pistol.

Thanks.

I have a Wilson Brig Tac. Bought it before I knew multiple versions would be released.

The Brigadier vs. the Centurion;

Brig slide, 4.7" barrel vs shortened Vertec slide, 4.3" barrel

Brig has a night sight front w/ a white ring- Centurion has a Hackathorn night sight front w/ an orange ring. Both are blackout rears.

Dirty Olive G10 grips vs. Gray/Black Ultra-Thin G10 grips

3x 15-rd Sand magazines vs. 2x 17-rd + 1x 20-rd Beretta mags

Lanyard loop vs. extended mag guide (magwell at the rear only)

The Brig is 2.7-2.8 ounces heavier, which is all on the top end (slide and barrel)

The Centurion is $55 more

Otherwise they are identical for features.

I also have a USP. It's a Combat-Competition 9mm model with fiberoptic front sight, match-LEM trigger, and jet funnel.

I purchased both used from forum members (maybe not this forum?)

My impression; The HK is fine gun. I have no qualms about loading it up and shooting a few hundred rounds through it, using it for competition, etc. It's a workhorse gun that I like to shoot, but it's still a USP. The gun isn't comfortable to me, not like the Beretta anyway. It was also several hundred dollars less.

The Beretta is just a nice gun. The action is very sweet, it's very comfortable and easy to shoot. Making the choice today I'd likely go for the Centurion, though. The Brigadier slide wasn't a selling point other than being stronger than a standard 92. I believe the Vertec is also an improvement over the base 92 (I could be mistaken). I like the straight lines of the Centurion more. The orange front sight is better to me, as is the mag guide vs. lanyard loop. I'd imagine the Centurion quells a bit of the "This is a full-size pistol" feeling of the standard arrangement the Brigadier follows.

The only place it's lacking for how nice of a gun it is; the trigger. I'm going to do the Langdon trigger-job-in-a-bag on mine. It's a decent trigger, it's not $1000+ gun trigger to me. Mine was not ordered with work on the action. If the Langdon kit turns out similar to reports I've seen, I'll be very happy with it at $1165+.

If only the Wilson Compact wasn't such a short run, though. But I digress.

If I had to pick my "tricked out" (somewhat) USP vs. my Wilson Beretta, I'd go with the Wilson Beretta with a trigger job/action kit/tune-up of some kind, and not look back.

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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
Does anyone have any experience with Wilson Combat 92G Brigadier vs. Centurion Tacticals? With my tendernitis I love shooting my 226 MK25, and carry my M11-A1. Purpose is for HD, Social Chaos, Range. I might carry it in a bag during times of social unrest. I have also considered the HK USP 9mm but cannot find any ranges in No. VA to test the pistol.

Thanks.

I have a Wilson Brig Tac. Bought it before I knew multiple versions would be released.

The Brigadier vs. the Centurion;

Brig slide, 4.7" barrel vs shortened Vertec slide, 4.3" barrel

Brig has a night sight front w/ a white ring- Centurion has a Hackathorn night sight front w/ an orange ring. Both are blackout rears.

Dirty Olive G10 grips vs. Gray/Black Ultra-Thin G10 grips

3x 15-rd Sand magazines vs. 2x 17-rd + 1x 20-rd Beretta mags

Lanyard loop vs. extended mag guide (magwell at the rear only)

The Brig is 2.7-2.8 ounces heavier, which is all on the top end (slide and barrel)

The Centurion is $55 more

Otherwise they are identical for features.

I also have a USP. It's a Combat-Competition 9mm model with fiberoptic front sight, match-LEM trigger, and jet funnel.

I purchased both used from forum members (maybe not this forum?)

My impression; The HK is fine gun. I have no qualms about loading it up and shooting a few hundred rounds through it, using it for competition, etc. It's a workhorse gun that I like to shoot, but it's still a USP. The gun isn't comfortable to me, not like the Beretta anyway. It was also several hundred dollars less.

The Beretta is just a nice gun. The action is very sweet, it's very comfortable and easy to shoot. Making the choice today I'd likely go for the Centurion, though. The Brigadier slide wasn't a selling point other than being stronger than a standard 92. I believe the Vertec is also an improvement over the base 92 (I could be mistaken). I like the straight lines of the Centurion more. The orange front sight is better to me, as is the mag guide vs. lanyard loop. I'd imagine the Centurion quells a bit of the "This is a full-size pistol" feeling of the standard arrangement the Brigadier follows.

The only place it's lacking for how nice of a gun it is; the trigger. I'm going to do the Langdon trigger-job-in-a-bag on mine. It's a decent trigger, it's not $1000+ gun trigger to me. Mine was not ordered with work on the action. If the Langdon kit turns out similar to reports I've seen, I'll be very happy with it at $1165+.

If only the Wilson Compact wasn't such a short run, though. But I digress.

If I had to pick my "tricked out" (somewhat) USP vs. my Wilson Beretta, I'd go with the Wilson Beretta with a trigger job/action kit/tune-up of some kind, and not look back.

Great and informative post Rustpot. I appreciate it. I shot a regular Beretta 92FS at my range today and liked it. It is a great looking gun. Very aesthetically pleasing. There are some wonderful and cool looking grips to obtain Ford from Hogue.

1 issue I did note was that I found it a little front heavy. I have a few questions if you do not mind.

If I found the regular 92 FS front heavy I imagine the Brig. would feel even more front/top heavy?

Would there be much recoil difference Between the Wilson Combat 90 2G Brig. versus Centurion?

The Centurion looks like it would be much more easier to carry and also shoot.

Sounds like you have some great guns in your collection. Very nice.

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Originally posted by SSAreGreat:
Great and informative post Rustpot. I appreciate it. I shot a regular Beretta 92FS at my range today and liked it. It is a great looking gun. Very aesthetically pleasing. There are some wonderful and cool looking grips to obtain Ford from Hogue.

1 issue I did note was that I found it a little front heavy. I have a few questions if you do not mind.

If I found the regular 92 FS front heavy I imagine the Brig. would feel even more front/top heavy?

Would there be much recoil difference Between the Wilson Combat 90 2G Brig. versus Centurion?

The Centurion looks like it would be much more easier to carry and also shoot.

Sounds like you have some great guns in your collection. Very nice.

I haven't shot a Centurion. Just looking at the feature list, as similar as they are, and having owned the Brig, I believe the Centurion would be my choice between the two. It's not enough of a want to buy both or seek out a sale of my Brigadier to fund a Centurion. If a Centurion were for sale at what I considered a 'deal' and I had the money... I'd probably have a hard time not spending it.

Beretta lists the 92FS at 33.3oz, 4.9" barrel. Wilson lists the Brig Tac at 32oz (and also at 36oz on another page on their website -- the Centurion at 30.4 & 33.2, I suspect these different weights are with and without magazine). The Brigadier does truncate the barrel slightly at 4.7" (you can see in photos it does not protrude as far from the slide). The Wilsons also have several items; the decocking lever, guide rod, mag catch, and trigger, replaced with steel parts.

That said, on a full size pistol we're splitting a few ounces. I wouldn't suspect the Centurion to be a disappointment, even if the recoil is more severe, as the Brig Tac shoots softly enough that a mild increase is still way ahead of others. The increased balance from the tighter package may be an improvement worth any small amount of added recoil.

A few photos, because everyone loves photos. And thank you for the previous compliments.

USP;
https://i.imgur.com/dw0VVCh.jpg
Brig Tac;
https://i.imgur.com/U07Y3V6.jpg

save a couple grand. Get a Glock 5th gen 19X

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A few photos, because everyone loves photos. And thank you for the previous compliments.

USP;
https://i.imgur.com/dw0VVCh.jpg
Brig Tac;
https://i.imgur.com/U07Y3V6.jpg

Nice photos of your pistols Rustpot. Now I want to go out and buy both but I will wait until my impulse calms down.

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save a couple grand. Get a Glock 5th gen 19X

Actually LtJL, I like the simplicity and durability of Glocks but I feel too much recoil with my tendernitis. I guess "Perfection" cannot be had for everyone.

I'd get the Langdon Elite LTT (with trigger job) over the Wilson...droool...

http://www.recoilweb.com/new-b...-beretta-136712.html

^^The LTT would also be a fine choice, and has many upgrades in line with the Wilson models.

Another option to consider is the Langdon M9. The changes to a stock M9 are not as numerous as the Wilson, it looks a bit more plain/stock. G-action (decock only), a good set of grips, a decent sight setup (orange dot front, blackout rear), no rail, larger mag catch, D-spring. Basically an M9 with a few features Beretta fans look for and common upgrades that are made.
http://www.beretta.com/en-us/langdon-m9/

At a street price of closer to $700, the Langdon makes sense over a bone stock 92/M9 if those upgrades matter to you and the features of the Wilson versions or Elite LTT are not needed in your opinion.

A downside of the Brig Tac is the unique combination of Brigadier slide + rail making holster selections a bit thin. I have not looked for Centurion holsters, you may be stuck with a 92 railed holster with some empty length at the nose going with Wilson's version with a rail.