Part 1 is here.

Part 2: Range shooting

I finally was able to complete range testing on all three guns. Man, what fun!!!

Here is how things went.

The first day, 12/1/17, I took all three out, with 200 rounds and very little time, driving 20 miles to the outdoors range. And, that was a mistake, trying to accuracy test these target guns in a hurry. Yeah, it was embarrassing, because I was all over the place. Even the best groups were nothing to write home about. The only saving grace from this session was that, at least, I got to know the guns in action.

So, I decided that I was going to the indoors range much closer to home (Shiloh), plus only bring one gun at a time, so to have more time to concentrate and give each gun a fair shake. And, the results were quite surprising. The American held its own and then kicked some asses.
In total, each now has 200 rounds through it.

Ammo tested (all 124Gr): Federal American Eagle (FAE) FMJ, Fiocchi XTPHP, Geco FMJ, Sellier & Bellot (SB) FMJ, Speer Lawman TMJ
Targets show groups of 5 shots each.
Distances: all 25 yds.
Position: standing, 2 hands, with gun grips rested on bench.
Results: best groups shown, with the largest center-to-center spreads measured / reported. It seems that I consistently got the worse results with SB. And, Geco is always at or near the top.

12/5/17 - The Swiss (father)
-Malfunctions: none
-A comment regarding the hammer bite I read so much about of P210 shooters. What hammer bite? I just don't get it. It's physically impossible to get hammer bite, unless you have so much meat in the web between the thumb and index finger that it rolls up above the short tail and spill over to the area of the hammer. The only reason that I can think of that is more reasonable is this. The bite is from the swept down tail itself. The down pointing tail hit the web of your hand with each recoil. That makes more sense to me.

Geco: 1 1/16 inches
Fiocchi: 1 1/4 inches
FAE: 1 3/4 inches
Speer: 1 7/8 inches
SB: Way way off!!! Shame! Have no ideas what happened here. I must have been dozing off.

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12/7/17 - The German (son)
-Malfunctions: Man, this gun gave me heartburn initially. It was so tight that, during the first 60 - 70 rounds or so, the slide never fully returned to battery about at least 60% of the time. I had to give it a kick in the rear to fully seat it. I was thinking to myself, "I bought an expensive POS." But, thankfully, it finally loosened up beyond that, and no more kick in the butt was required.

Geco: 3/4 inch
Fiocchi: 1 inch
FAE: 1 1/8 inches
Speer: 1 1/4 inches
SB: 2 inches

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12/8/17 - The American (grandson)
-Malfunctions: none. Kicking asses for a fraction of the prices of it father and grandfather, what's not to love?

FAE: 1/2 inch (discounting the freaking flier)
Speer: 11/16 inch
Geco: 7/8 inch
Fiocchi: 1 1/2 inches
SB: 1 3/16 (discounting the 2 fliers )

Nice Q. I still like the LDC model

Blue Dog, I think that is called a heavy frame. I dont get why that one was so tight fit. Perhaps the PVC finish? The American model sure seems to shoot fine. The Swiss is very attractive with its long slide. Any of the 3 capable of lead bullets Q? Would plated bullets shoot without fouling issues?

Beautiful weapons (great photos), and interesting range ammo results. Thanks for the two part series here.

You need a P240 12131. You truely need a P240.

Great job Q. Very nice shooting. I can't wait for Sig to release the American Super Target .

Q.

Thanks for taking the time to do this.

Beautiful pistols. Thanks for the report and pics!

On one of my Swiss -2 pistols, when I first took it shooting (outside, ~40 degree weather) it wouldn't go into battery either. Frustrated, I pulled the slide off, wiped out all of the Slide Glide grease, and put in a couple drops of Rem Oil. It's run like a top ever since, I just keep it lubed with only thin oil, now.

No grease, here. All three were lubed with Slip 2000 EWL. No worry, the German "LDC" is smooth sailing, now.

Terrific job Q. That's a lot of hard, dirty work that takes a lot of time, but somebody has to do it

Nice report...sweet Sigs Q.

Thanks for the report. I adopted one of these a couple weeks ago but haven't had a chance to shoot it very much yet.

Ok, maybe I'll put the 210A back on my "buy" list now

Well then, maybe I'll put GECO 124gr back on my buy list. Where would one find said ammo?

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Originally posted by David Lee:
... Any of the 3 capable of lead bullets Q? Would plated bullets shoot without fouling issues?

Regardless to provenance, Swiss, German or US made, they all have barrels with a 1/10 twist rate. It´s too fast for lead. SIG offered special barrels with a 1/20 twist rate for that matter. If Vo is reduced it might work, but a .30 caliber recoil spring might be needed in order to compensate for the reduced gas pressure. It would be interesting to know if it was possible to use such a spring assembly in this US made version.

Wow, thank you. Any idea how this compares to the x5 series?

Great shooting and report, thanks for sharing your time and those beautiful pistols.

Thanks Q. I enjoy your range reports and photography. Reference the hammer bite with the Swiss guns,not physically impossible in my case. Blood on the hammer spur and TOP of the rear of the frame of my Swiss guns indicates it is the hammer that bites me. I softened the sharp edges, and trimmed hammer length slightly, on one of my -2 guns years ago to address the issue. It worked. That's one of the main reasons I prefer the beavertail type frame design of the German and American guns. Hate that bloodshed, especially my own.

BTW OTD, The Swiss or German recoil spring assemblies won't work in the American version. SIG Sauer shortened the recoil assembly to use a flat wire spring, and shortened the recoil spring tunnel in the slide to accommodate the new short spring and guide.

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Originally posted by 12131:
No grease, here. All three were lubed with Slip 2000 EWL. No worry, the German "LDC" is smooth sailing, now.

I'd bet that Slip 2000 EWG would work too. I lube my Beretta 87 Target with EWG, even though most folks lube their.22 LR pistols with oil.

And that's despite the fact that my ammo is Aguila Pistol Match, which has a stated MV of 925 FPS – at the low end of standard velocity.