I remember the complaining about the P290 and its lack of second-strike capability. So much so that Sig actually added that feature to the pistol. How come no complaints about the P365? Is everyone happy with the striker and its inability for a second strike?

"Second strike" is an idiotic concept made popular with gun magazine writers.

If you press the trigger and it doesn't go bang, i's a malfunction. Treat it accordingly. Pressing the trigger again is not the solution.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
"Second strike" is an idiotic concept made popular with gun magazine writers.

If you press the trigger and it doesn't go bang, i's a malfunction. Treat it accordingly. Pressing the trigger again is not the solution.

Agreed, just roll into an immediate action deal and get the gun back up and running. Pulling the trigger again on a bad round, or no round if you had a failure to feed, won’t fix the issue.

I mean is it a feature, maybe. Probably more for range use but it’s certainly not a deal breaker.

Is it a feature? Meaning they designed it that way on purpose? It certainly is nice if you have it, but its not a big deal if you don't.

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Second-strike capability

Overrated. If a round doesn't fire on the first try and nothing is wrong with the gun, it's unlikely to fire on the second. Don't bother trying to diagnose it, go immediately to what is commonly called the "tap-rack-bang"* drill and shuck that dud out of there.

In pistols, the only kind with "second strike" are DA/SA or true (hammer or striker drawn from fully at rest to fully cocked and released with every pull) DAO. A revolver also does, sort of, except it advances the cylinder to the next round (unless that round has already been fired).

*I like to add "assess" between the "rack" and the "bang." The decision to fire must be made consciously, not be a reflexive action.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
Is it a feature? Meaning they designed it that way on purpose? It certainly is nice if you have it, but its not a big deal if you don't.

Yeah, nice on the range.
Not sure I want to try a second, or third strike in a situation where I'm lining up my sights in a critical situation.
I mention third strike because if you're in a movie, that's how many time you pull the trigger on the glock before you realize it's empty (or a dud)
And if I'm pulling the trigger multiple times on a dud on the range, I'm probably going to do that off the range too.

Although I agree that a mechanical second strike capability isn’t necessary or even desirable because pulling the trigger multiple times isn’t the thing to do in the case of a failure to fire, in my experience rounds will usually fire the second time they’re struck. The proper procedure is to clear the failure to fire, finish engaging the target as necessary, holster, etc., then find the round that didn’t fire, inspect it for any visible problems, clean it well, and try to fire it again.

If it doesn’t fire the second time, then it can be discarded or kept as an example of bad ammunition. If, however, multiple light strike or duds are experienced, then obviously there’s a problem with the gun or the ammunition.

Old military requirement for old ammo with very hard primers. But today, the drill is tap rack bang. Don't waste time on a round that "might" fire on a second strike.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Old military requirement for old ammo with very hard primers.

What US military weapons have/had second strike capability by pulling the trigger again?

M9, MK25, M11

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
"Second strike" is an idiotic concept made popular with gun magazine writers.

If you press the trigger and it doesn't go bang, i's a malfunction. Treat it accordingly. Pressing the trigger again is not the solution.

Agreed.

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M9, MK25, M11

Various HKs that have been adopted as well.

I mean at the end of the day it’s not like having second strike capability means you cannot simply go into immediate action drill / tap, rack, bang. It’s just another option.

My thinking has always been if the round does not go off and your life depends on it going off I'd rather trust the next round going off than restricting the existing one.....

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Originally posted by jljones:
M9, MK25, M11

Ah, yes. I focused on the “old” in the description of the ammunition and guidance. Tnx.
Of course, for some people M9 is probably ancient and something that they think was cleaned with the kits in the butts of the spears that were carried at the same time.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by jljones:
M9, MK25, M11

Ah, yes. I focused on the “old” in the description of the ammunition and guidance. Tnx.
Of course, for some people M9 is probably ancient and something that they think was cleaned with the kits in the butts of the spears that were carried at the same time.

Oooo, ooo oo, I wanna play!

M1917.

Also, re the OP

P290 = hammer fired dao
P365 = striker fired

Probably easier, I'd imagine, to add restrike to a dao hammer gun, than a striker?

I hear tell the new Pythons have double strike capability.

I like it, but not so much for failure to fire. It makes dry fire practice easier.

I get a click when I want a bang and I'm running the action and going to another round. We'll find out what was up with the bad one later.

As many have said, if it goes click, smack the magazine to ensure it's seated then rack the slide to make sure it's loaded or clear a malfunction - one procedure that works to solve lots of problems.