So, with all the drama about the P320, I have a lot of people literally taking a step away from me when I am shooting mine on the range. I kind of considerate, funny, but then I thought, is there any truth to this P3 20 business… Moreover, is it something I should be really concerned about?

So the question I have for all of you, has all of this drama about the P320 cause any of you to change what you do? Have any of you stopped caring it? Or are you like me and kind of just not convinced, it’s an issue…

I used to own a bunch. I had them all “upgraded”. I’m down to a couple three. I would never CCW this gun because there are better options. I do agree that the margin for safety on these guns is tighter than a Glock or clone. I would carry this OWB in a good holster with zero concerns, especially if it was a MS model.

I think what we are seeing is a litigious society, a lack of accountability, and stuff getting into holsters. I have yet to see any credible or repeatable evidence that these “just go off”.

I wish Sig would get off their ass and just offer a trigger dingus which they already have engineered (I assume fairly confidently) but ego, lawyers, and money seem to be in the way.

I think they are safe. I think they are less safe than guns with more impediments to the trigger being pulled.

Not surprisingly I find them very easy to run fast and well. They are great guns to shoot.

Can we please get a sticky thread on this so this isn't getting rehashed every other month?

I have ccw’d my 320x compact with no issues. I have shot quite a bit with it. No issues. Considering buying another frame size.

I guess they don’t matter to dan. Least you can do since you took the time to post is at least answer the question, yes or no? Lol

I own/shoot 4 of them.
i guess they haven't shot ME yet as I am posting this!!!!

I have shot ALOT of platforms and seen and know enough to know that the lions share of the 320 issues are overblown.

That said with so many fantastic guns on the market I’d be lying if I didn’t say that yes all the bad 320 press has had an effect on me in regards to purchasing one. Am I worried about shooting them? NO. IF I was issued one would it bother me? NO. Am I going to spend my money on one. No, I don’t think so.

Maybe 4 or 5 of these threads ago, maybe.

I just double checked my tracking cards and I haven't had an issue with any of mine (2 Pro Models and a FCU) and both pros are over a thousand rounds.

My issued M117 was fine, I carried it more than I shot it. I have seen issued M17s fail to fire, but I didn't get to trouble shoot them.

Interestingly enough I heard Glock was going to a precocked striker design vs their current semi cocked design, but I can't provide documents to confirm that.

“Issues / Rumors” of what?

That they go off by themselves without the trigger’s being pulled? I’ve asked this before, but here it is again: If you believe that’s possible, explain in detailed step by mechanical step how that could happen. No, “I heard …,” “This gunsmith I know …,” “My friend who has one said …,” “I had a vision of Saint Gabriel Possenti who warned …,” “Anything’s possible,” etc., etc., etc.: An explanation that accounts for all the mechanical features of the pistol.

That they fire out of battery? Search here or on YouTube for the explanation by Grayguns that demonstrates that too is impossible.

That they shouldn’t get wet because that awakens the hidden gremlins sleeping in the FCU and they fire they gun when it’s least convenient for the owner?

That an evil spirit gave the design to a man in exchange for his soul and therefore anyone who uses one is likewise doomed to perdition in the afterlife?

That because they don’t have a so-called “safety” tab on the trigger that they can be fired inadvertently more easily in some very limited situations due to mishandling than other guns that have that feature? (Yes, that is true—hardly a concern for most of us who own the guns, but true nonetheless.)

I’m curious. Which is it?

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I’m curious. Which is it?

I can only speak for myself, but definitely the evil spirit.

All of mine have been blessed by a friend from Jamaica, and run perfect with no NDs or other gremlins.

But they do smell faintly of rum and incense when they heat up…

Been my EDC for years, no problems out of it pre/post upgrade.
Started life as a 9mm & swapped for a 357Sig setup.

The initial drop issue was somewhat ever blown in my opinion. The chances of that exact angle being achieved by accident are so slim. I’m also a believer that guns should be handled with as much care as a newborn.

However, the issue was repeatable. It was something identifiable and fixable. I also had an issue with my P320 and the “double click” original design of the trigger reset that could result in a dead trigger. That issue along with the drop were addressed by the changes from the upgrade.

All of the recent claims are results from irresponsible owner actions as far as I’m concerned. If someone can demonstrate how the issue is a design defect or mechanic failure, I’m happy to hear it explained and proved. No one has, and the simpler explanation for each incident is end-user error. Until then, I don’t have any issue with my P320, other than carrying it (or any other waistband carry pistol) puts pressure on my sciatic and causes me problems, so I only pocket carry now.

After several high round count classes and everything that comes with that, stress, hundreds/thousand of holstering and carrying for years, I have no problem with the P320 or P365. No different than any other gun like the MP, VP9 etc.

I use quality gear, kydex holsters with good retention and good fit. Gun's never gone off by itself. Non-issue.

The only issue I’m curious about is that the striker is under spring tension under normal circumstances.

I guess the theories are that the safety on the striker assembly breaks or fails somehow and the striker then is released and stroked the primer.

Here’s my problem with that. On inspection, it should be clear to see that that safety on the striker assembly has broken. If that’s so, I am assuming that that would be plastered all over the Internet in about five minutes… I have still yet to find any proof that occurring.

This is the best video explaining the P320 safeties

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKMu47uWXQ

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This is the best video explaining the P320 safeties

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKMu47uWXQ

Great video. It also perfectly demonstrates why the lack of a trigger blade safety can present a problem. Naturally, every single one of those internal safeties is defeated when the trigger is pulled (otherwise the gun would not be able to fire). The impact of a drop (at a certain angle) can cause the trigger bar to move, sometimes enough to pull the trigger with it. This is why one of the redesigns cut the mass of the trigger shoe and trigger bar (less inertia), reducing the likelihood of such an event. A trigger blade safety would have been even better as it would have solved this issue entirely. However, as BuddyChryst pointed out, it would be unlikely anyway to drop the gun at the angle needed to make the gun fire.

I have one that I use in competition, it hasn’t shot me yet. A couple of guys who shoot in the same competition have them, and their guns haven’t shot their owners either.

No, I’m not worried about these rumors, if guys doing run and gun with lightened triggers and hand loaded ammo don’t have problems, they most likely don’t exist.

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Originally posted by bcjwriter:
The only issue I’m curious about is that the striker is under spring tension under normal circumstances.

I guess the theories are that the safety on the striker assembly breaks or fails somehow and the striker then is released and stroked the primer.

Here’s my problem with that. On inspection, it should be clear to see that that safety on the striker assembly has broken. If that’s so, I am assuming that that would be plastered all over the Internet in about five minutes… I have still yet to find any proof that occurring.

Yep, and that right there is the crux of it. If there was actually a mechanical explanation behind these guns "firing on their own", it would be repeatable and demonstratable. But to date I've not seen that done one time, which leads me to believe that the "problems" have to be mishandling.

It's essentially a single-action gun with an internal firing pin block. You have to treat it with the respect it deserves, and carry it in a manner that protects the trigger from unwanted manipulation. There are methods that I'm comfortable carrying one, and methods that I'm not.

On the flip side, it's an easy gun to shoot well, has simple controls, and it's modularity makes it fully adaptable to pretty much any shooter. The manual of arms is simple, it's easy to teach, and I can run it faster and more accurately than any other gun I own.

Like any inherently dangerous tool, you have to use your head and remain vigilant when manipulating it, and the margin for error is probably a little narrower than some other designs. But if you're willing to accept that responsibility it's an excellent tool.

How do the other folks on the firing line know you are shooting a Sig P320? I know I'm not that good at identify handguns even close up.... maybe it's not the gun they are backing away from... you might want to check your 'after shave ' or such.