Well I am going to find out. Got myself a birthday present. On the reviews there is a guy who posted a pic of the Legion plate cover on this slide. I think the standard one would work too but alas that was out of stock as well. So what is another 10 bucks? I really hope I like this Sig optic since it's coming whether I like it or not.

Range report coming soon.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Well I am going to find out. Got myself a birthday present. On the reviews there is a guy who posted a pic of the Legion plate cover on this slide. I think the standard one would work too but alas that was out of stock as well. So what is another 10 bucks? I really hope I like this Sig optic since it's coming whether I like it or not.

Range report coming soon.

The Romeo 1 wasn't my first choice, either, but I have to admit it's been pretty decent. The protective shroud is a nice touch...if yours doesn't come with it I'd get one. Not only does it protect the optic from impact but it also "recesses" the buttons so they don't get inadvertently bumped (they protrude way too far out the side of the unshrouded optic for my taste....stupid design).

For an issued gun, it was definitely nice to be able to buy everything already set up as a package and not have to do it all peacemeal. I'm ok with customizing my setup on a personal gun, but when you're dealing with a whole batch for a bunch of guys, it's nice to have them ready to go out of the box. Sig was pretty much the only game in town for that when we got ours, although a few others have jumped on the gravy train since then.

Looking forward to your updates as your project is something that I've been wanting to do for a while now. I was actually shopping for a P226 to be the basis for this the other day when I stumbled into that 329PD. It's going to be a while before I can get into it on my own now because the gun fund just took a hit, but at least I can get a taste of what it'll be by reading about yours .

I went back and read the comments, mine included, on the ZEV 226. I still agree with them. I don’t like SAO in particular and the ZEV styling as a whole gun doesn’t work. I liked the grips but you can’t buy the grips. I actually like the slide. I personally would not have made the 2 windows but they are small windows so I can live with that. I love the iron sights and will go optic and no optic over time.

I bought the pro cut slide for one of my 320’s because I needed a cut slide. I hate it. It obviously works fine but it is the ugliest pos I own. I’m amazed they still sell pro cuts for all their guns. Ugly as hell.

I love the serrations on the ZEV slide. With an optic more serration area is better for me.

First thing I’m going to do is remove the optic and look underneath. Sig started adding the RMR holes on cut slides so that is my hope that it is cut/screwed for both footprints. We shall see.

The biggest thing at this point is whether the strut/spring kit alone improves the trigger enough to leave well enough alone. I really don’t want to drop another 2 bills to get the trigger/trigger bar ELS setup if I can help it.

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I’m amazed they still sell pro cuts for all their guns. Ugly as hell.

Competition shooters like them for the lower weight and cycle speed. While it is ugly, it's about as lightweight a slide as you can get.

My point is I have seen lots of slide cuts that are visually appealing. The Sig Pro Cut is atrocious. Every time I pull mine out I have to choke back my gag reflex. Sig is due for a less ugly refresh. It’s mainly those two half circle cuts at the muzzle. Why? If they just did away with those two cuts it would be an improvement.

It is so ugly that I chose to buy the ZEV version with an optic I am meh about over Sigs Pro Cut. I would have bought the Legion, swapped back into normal height irons, and been content but the Legionwas out of stock. The pro cut and the ZEV were available. The pro cut was hundreds cheaper because it doesn’t come with a dot but fuck it’s so ugly I couldn’t pull the trigger. Maybe that is Sig’s marketing genius at work. Lol

The strut kits came today. I swapped the sear spring and the 19lb mainspring, strut, and base on my Mk25 and the same thing on my Legion except I put in the 17lb mainspring.

These kits are legit. Obviously both triggers came down noticeably in pull weight. They are both smoother pulls throughout the stroke. The Legion had the better trigger to start with but both are markedly improved. So much so that I don't think I will mess around with the ELS trigger kit. (That's not true, I am a born tinkerer so at some point I probably will for grins but it isn't necessary)

Now I just need my slide and grips to arrive.

Anybody run a 17lb spring in their 226? They send both so if I even have an inkling of an issue I will swap the spring but I am curious what others have found.

I was getting light strikes on an 18#.
I use 19 and 20 now with no issues.

Glad you had good results with the strut. I have not tried the 17# spring, but I do like that they included it as an option. My gun was already having light strikes, so I was actually trying to fix that when I ordered the strut assembly, so going with the lighter spring would have been counter-intuitive at the time. The issue actually ended up being excessive wear on the barrel lug and not related to the mainspring at all (old, beat up surplus P228), but I'm still glad I bought it because it dramatically improved my trigger pull.

I also stuck one in a P6 and it made an absolutely enormous difference there even with the heavier spring. I typically don't mind a little weight to a DA pull as long as it's smooth and consistent, but the factory P6 trigger weight is just ridiculous.

I installed the 17# mainspring from the GGI kit but I've only put about 50 rounds though the gun, too many others I keep taking out instead.

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Other thread has me thinking. I have a Legion 226 and a Mk 25. The Legion I believe already has the short reset kit (SRT) based on side by side trigger yanking. I do have a Langdon trigger job and multiple examples that I added the TJIAB to. So I never shoot the Sigs. The trigger on both are fine/ok but nowhere near the Langdons.

So the other thread made me go to the Grayguns site. It seems there are 3 basic options that apply to my guns. The SRT, the strut kit, and the trigger bar and trigger kit.

I think for the Legion it would be the trigger bar and strut kit since it already has the short reset kit. Mk 25 would need all 3. Is this thinking correct?

I assume if money is no object you do them all. If money is a bit of an object, what would you prioritize? Mind you my biggest complaint is the heavy trigger. The strut kit comes with 2 springs so I think that will solve part of the issue. What mainspring weight for a self defense gun?

Do I need all that or part of that? That is my question. I would love to shoot them more but unless they get better triggers I never will.

I’m late to the party.
Few things I’ve learned after years of tinkering.
Strut (Graguns or Sig Armorer) and 19 pound mainspring.
Gray Guns ELS trigger and bar.
If you don’t have the SRT, buy the armory Craft factory srt sear (it’s coated).

Regarding the slide (assuming you want to mount a dot), I won’t screw around with plates and slides set up for multiple footprints anymore.
Vulcan Machine Works is who I use to machine the slide for the dot of my choice.
My choice for a dot is Holosun 507K, but your preference may be different.

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My point is I have seen lots of slide cuts that are visually appealing. The Sig Pro Cut is atrocious. Every time I pull mine out I have to choke back my gag reflex. Sig is due for a less ugly refresh. It’s mainly those two half circle cuts at the muzzle. Why? If they just did away with those two cuts it would be an improvement.

It is so ugly that I chose to buy the ZEV version with an optic I am meh about over Sigs Pro Cut. I would have bought the Legion, swapped back into normal height irons, and been content but the Legionwas out of stock. The pro cut and the ZEV were available. The pro cut was hundreds cheaper because it doesn’t come with a dot but fuck it’s so ugly I couldn’t pull the trigger. Maybe that is Sig’s marketing genius at work. Lol

Been carrying the P229 Pro slide for a couple of years now. It is reliable. The ugly grows on you after a while. Not really. I just care less about it.

I get it. My 320 is functionally decent. I wish it was cut fir DPP and RMR but it does work fine. It’s just fugly. I find it hard to get past fugly.

I would be lying if I said aesthetics didn’t matter. To me they do. I need it to work and not trigger a gag reflex. Lol

Ok, after waiting around all day for FedEx to come because they have a signature required, they didn't come. They came this morning though. And they didn't require a signature. lol. What is this world coming to?

On initial look, the Sig Romeo Pro 1 is a well put together sight. It is low enough deck height that you can use the sights in a pinch. They peak out just enough. Sig for some reason doesn't ship it with a battery. It uses a somewhat oddball 1632 battery which of course I do not have. Amazon 8 pack coming tomorrow.

Enough griping. Since it has no battery and you can only stare longingly through a blank glass screen for so long, I removed the sight and put the Legion plate cover on. It is black so it contrasts somewhat but since I am currently wearing it on my Legion frame I am glad I was forced into the Legion plate.

Perfect fit as expected. What wasn't expected but hoped for was the mythical second set of screw holes for an RMR. They are there. Yay.

The Zev sights are nice serrated blacked out rear and serrated red fiber optic front. Nice set of sights, no complaints.

The serrations up and around the front of the slide are very tasteful and useable. The front windows are small and unobtrusive. I could do without but I don't think they are the end of the world either.

Pics to follow. Range time on Thursday.

I am going to say the stupid thing that you guys will jump me for. Zev is not known for tasteful. The actual Zev pistol is not tasteful in my view. On a normal DA/SA gun without the fancy threaded barrel this thing is, dare I say it, tasteful looking. I will share pics and we can argue my sense of style. lol

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I have a Pro Cut slide and I don't really like the looks of it either but the Zev slide almost makes me gag

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Sig for some reason doesn't ship it with a battery. It uses a somewhat oddball 1632 battery which of course I do not have. Amazon 8 pack coming tomorrow.

Several years ago I bought Romeo conversion kits for the P226 I was using in classes and the P320 my son was using in classes. I was less than impressed with the batteries that Sig shipped with them. My son went completely off red dots for a bit as he didn’t experience a lot of reliability. I got replacement batteries and things were much better. I idly wondered why Sig would ship such crappy batteries with their optics.

Then I ran across an article…

In the January Rangemaster newsletter, Jeff Boren wrote an article titled “Beyond Skills: Why Enthusiasm Matters in Pistol Mounted Optic Adoption”. He listed several things one should do when setting up an optic for serious purposes, including throwing away the battery supplied with the optic and buying and installing a new one. His point was you don’t know how long the battery shipped with the optic has been sitting in a warehouse, or under what conditions. Maybe that’s why I experienced such poor service from the batteries that came with the Romeo conversion kits, and maybe SIG’s fix for the problem was to stop shipping batteries. It would make sense.

Fortunately, I was using the optic in a training class and just shot the first half of the first day using the suppressor height sights that Sig thoughtfully included in the kits, then went out and bought some batteries at lunch. Problem solved.

IMO, it's better than the pro-cut...I'd still rather have one without all the embellishments, but sometimes you just gotta do what you've gotta do. It does look just fine from the back, which is the direction I prefer to look at my guns from anyway ! I like that it has holes for both the DPP and an RMR. That covers pretty much any optic I'd be likely to use. And it sounds like it's cut nice and deep if you're able to co-witness standard sights over a Romeo1...it's not exactly a low-profile optic.

Yes, FedEx sucks. They do that to me 90% of the time that something comes signature required. Either I sit around all day waiting for them to show up and they never come or once they dropped a rifle off with my 14 year-old kid on a day they weren't supposed to come. Somehow UPS manages to figure it out, I'm not sure why it's so hard for them.

It's weird that yours didn't come with a battery. Ours always have. But to Slosig's point, those batteries suck. We got less than 6 months out of them agency wide (except for one that I just found out this week never got replaced and made it over a year and a half. Go figure). The new replacement batteries we put in were still going when we replaced them at roughly a year. And yes, 1632s are a pain to find locally. I had to order them.