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For me, the HillaryHoleLawyerLock on my S&W gun(s) is like my tinnitus.
August 06, 2026, 04:45 PM
RichardCFor me, the HillaryHoleLawyerLock on my S&W gun(s) is like my tinnitus.
It never bothers me nor affects my daily life.
I neither
see nor
hear it until someone else mentions it. The lock never caused a problem during tens of thousands of rounds of accumulated shots, nor has the cicada-like orchestral audio background bothered me as I go about my mundane daily affairs.
'Taint a popular observation on the 'net, am I right?
August 06, 2026, 07:00 PM
wrightdI'm following this one, I hate that *)3&@$#(^%$! thing.
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Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster August 06, 2026, 08:15 PM
92fstechMy experience was like yours, until one day it locked up my 329PD. Now that's an extreme example (everything about a 329 is a extreme, lol), but I now remove it in all my airweight magnums, just for peace of mind.
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August 07, 2026, 01:06 AM
lechiffreI don't have anything to add except for this:
I read your thread title and now guess what.
RINGING IN MY EARS.
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August 07, 2026, 05:20 AM
KMitch200Family member had a j frame 38spl revolver that got tied up by that damn lock.
Dead trigger until it was resolved. I will NOT EVER own one.
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August 07, 2026, 06:08 AM
valkyrie1Just eliminate it, put the plug in. Theres a very small gap next to the hammer after wards but I could care less
August 07, 2026, 06:29 AM
Nick BI’m closing in on 2k rounds through my 629-6 and no problems with the lock .
August 07, 2026, 07:50 AM
Orive 8My 2 cents worth:
A S&W revolver with a lock may never lock up.
A S&W revolver without a lock will never lock up.
I've read on several forums where people have had the lock fail.
My current S&W revolver doesn't have a lock.
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August 07, 2026, 02:51 PM
storminquote:
Originally posted by valkyrie1:
Just eliminate it, put the plug in. Theres a very small gap next to the hammer after wards but I could care less
Honestly, you don’t even need to plug it - that last part was an absolute PITA on my 638. Next time, I’m just going to remove the locking arm and the flag and call it done. I’ll just leave the cam/lock in place. I don’t care if it spins.
August 07, 2026, 03:17 PM
FredwardMy issue is cosmetic. I don't often carry a revolver, but if I do it doesn't have a lock. I actually don't think I have any with locks, not intentional, just kinda happened.
August 07, 2026, 05:16 PM
straightshooter1I don't have any with the lock and don't plan to acquire any. It's not that the revolver has a lock, rather it's that the lock the revolvers have can malfunction and lock the firearm up when I need it.
Bob
August 07, 2026, 05:36 PM
flesheatingvirusI took it out and plugged it. No issues.
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August 07, 2026, 09:29 PM
captain127While I dislike the lock, my bigger issue is the frequency the frame mounted firing pin guns have issues with misfires. People buying extended firing pins, different mainsprings etc to get guns to go bang.
I would not own a S&W centerfire with a frame mounted firing pin, which by default all the lock guns are
August 08, 2026, 12:03 AM
MacGyverI usually say the same thing whenever this topic comes up:
While I'm sure someone out there will find genuine utility in having the "Hillary Hole", I strongly dislike it (and other such devices) in principle.
August 08, 2026, 09:47 AM
BigSwedeI passed on a nice 686 the other day for $500, I dislike the hole that much
August 08, 2026, 01:54 PM
dking271I don’t own any with the hole anymore. It’s unsightly and completely unnecessary. The only new S&W revolvers I buy are models without the hole. The only two on my radar ATM are a Performance Center 640 and a 632 Ultimate Carry and neither one is high enough on the list to get me to act.
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August 08, 2026, 04:45 PM
Abn556I pulled the lock out of my 686-6 and put in the plug. Very easy and it got rid of that lock. Its a 20+ year old pistol and never had an issue. I just hated the lock. Also put a 5” barrel on it. I quite like the 5” barrel length on a 686.
August 09, 2026, 03:50 PM
wrightdAre all their revolvers available with or without the lock, and if not, how does S&W decide WHICH models to use them on?
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Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster August 09, 2026, 03:58 PM
divilI am mostly a Ruger revolver man, but if I get another Smith, I do not have the bandwidth to give a rats ass about the lock. I will ignore it and never use it. Finding an affordable Model 22, 24 or 25, in good working order, the ability to find factory ammo and or have custom ammo made are what I will be caring about in that situation.