It's more about the pistol optic cut depth than the optics. SCS being the only one possibly for FS Glocks.

A lot of regular height sights work fine on an increasing # of pistols. G43x, Shadow Systems, Echelon, Hellcat, Ruger RXM to name a few. Glock FS pistols with the current config cuts are limiting for use with regular height sights.

As an aside, like a poster above suggested,

I also have a Glock with a set of optics height Night Fission sights that I am very happy with. They are not suppressor height monstrosities at all, just a bit taller than normal.

Also I am on the exact same page as the folks above regarding the SCS. The other thing going for the SCS in terms of longevity is its very slow recharge rate. This might seem counter intuitive but a slow recharge rate keeps the battery in good shape for a long time. Combine that with the fact that it uses less energy in the light then it needs it really has seemed to be a mount and forget optic for me.

I’m not trying to SELL you on the SCS. I have other optics I am very happy with. I have just been surprised and very favorably impressed with almost everything about the SCS.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
No battery on that SCS worries me a bit

I love my SCS. It's been about a year and half and not had a single hiccup.

What are the sights for?
My Glock 34 MOS iron (plastic) sights don't show and my old High Standard doesn't even HAVE a front sight.

Are you preparing for a flat battery?
I have heard of using the cow witness sight to "find the dot" but that seems counterproductive.

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Originally posted by Jim Watson:
I have heard of using the cow witness sight to "find the dot" but that seems counterproductive.

Very much so.


Backup irons aren't just for dead batteries, but for any failure that renders the optic dead/unusable, including impact/blast damage, a blocked exposed emitter, a circuitry failure, etc.

Though there are also alternatives to iron sights to get a rough combat aiming reference if your optic goes down, especially if your optic becomes totally occluded and makes even your irons unusable.

But it's good to have sighting redundancy, especially on a serious defensive or duty pistol.

And most LE agencies that allow optics specifically require backup irons.

Well, y’all are selling the SCS pretty well.
What sort of light charges the optic? I could not find it on Holosun’s site. Is it only sunlight?
I have had a couple Citizen Eco drive watches that claim sunlight and even a house hold lamp will charge them.
I had two that did not work very well which is part of my skepticism to the solar idea.

Though I may hold out a little longer to see if they release a closed emitter for the MOS.

According Holosun they will charge under any light but obviously direct solar is the most efficient. I’ve put mine under a bright / warm lamp every once in a while. Honestly I can’t tell you if it works or not as I’ve never had any indication of a charge need it just sort of “works”.

All the literature basically says it will always get more energy then it needs from most any light source.

Mine has been on my G45 about 3 years now. It lives in a dark safe and almost all my pistol shooting, I think literally all of my G45 shooting has been indoors. Basically the only time my G45 sees sunlight is I might take the slide off once a year in the summer and put it on the deck to charge for a little bit just to make me feel better.

Any light will charge it. And with 20k hours of battery life (2.28 years), you don't really have to worry about purposely charging it, unless it's on a safe queen that literally goes 2+ years between trips out of the dark interior of your safe.

Otherwise, normal ambient light exposure, from range trips, or dry fire session, or just sitting on the nightstand, will be enough to keep it topped off.

I have a Romeo X Compact Enclosed on my P365 Legion and a Romeo X Full Size on my P226. You can use the iron sights on both pistols if the optic went down.

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If you're worried about the failure point of the solar/internal battery, consider that removable batteries can also fail without warning, even if you change them well within the advertised lifespan. We change ours every 6 months and I've still seen some go dead. It's actually probably our biggest failure mode with the optics, and it's exacerbated by guys who don't check them regularly.

IMO the SCS system reduces the likelihood of power failure to the optic compared to button-cell batteries.

What I'd really like to see is a mainstream, high-quality optic with some kind of battery life indicator so you know when it's getting ready to die on you.

What you do is connect your ported barrel to a little turbogenerator so every shot you fire provides light for the next.

My main source on dotshooting has no booboo sights, says he can frame an opponent in the window and still get hits at moderate distance. He also changes batteries regularly so he won't have to try.

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My main source on dotshooting has no booboo sights, says he can frame an opponent in the window and still get hits at moderate distance. He also changes batteries regularly so he won't have to try.

I'll be honest. While I do want backup sights I have no illusions that I will have the presence of mind to immediately shift to them in a failure scenario. The reality is I am going to use the rear of the slide and the window of the optic like God's own ghost ring sight.

Up close I probably wont use the sights at all. At least that's what I have found about myself.

At moderate distance out to 7 yards or so I really don't need sights to get rounds on target.(On a one way range of course)

10 yards gets a bit more sketchy but I can still point shoot fairly well to at least put up it might behoove you to un-ass the AO mister bad guy shot or three.

Beyond that I probably have time to grab cover, egress, or take a more aimed shot.

So basically if I have a dot fail on me I am likely point shooting in the most realistic scenarios. (I know I know, there are always outliers under the bell curve. I am not saying a self defense encounter will be some mathematical X, Y or Z thing, just using the statistics as a starting point)

Besides my absolute shrill battle cry is likely to disorient and possibly cause nausea and ear damage. It sounds suspiciously like a terrified little girl running away but dammit its a battle cry......thats my story.....

Mind you this is for the old MOS. Obviously, no knows right now about the Gen 6 optic system.

My P320 MAX with standard Romeo 3 MAX optic does not need taller sights. No sight dovetails exist! I'm stuck with the optic, but wow what an optic. So easy to find the dot.

I qualified with it Saturday. Easy COF. But still, a majority of 60 rounds tore a hole in the X ring, making the scoring easy for the instructor.

I like NOT seeing the rear sight at all. I may take the sights off the M&P and trust the RMR.