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Stupid question but what DID happen to it? I owned one and sold it for something else but want one again. It seems no one talks about it as much. I know it was bulkier than desired. Did it fall off in popularity or is it THAT good that everyone is keeping theirs. | ||
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| Freethinker |
Before SIG actually decided to develop and produce them, one could have thought that half the members here would have sold their children into slavery for the chance of owning a staggered column magazine 45 ACP or 10mm P220. Having seen previous examples of the “gotta haves” relating to many other products, I was always a little skeptical about how sincere those desires were, but what did I know? Well, now I believe I know and can add both to my list of examples. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
More likely the former. Beside being bulky for only 2 extra rounds, I see a couple of other reasons. Or maybe three. 1 - The E2 grip is a minus to a lot of folks. 2 - The well known crappy 14-rounders, which, to this day, no one is certain if SIG/Mec-Gar ever fixed. A lot of folks were counting on the extra capcacity for this gun. But, with the uncertainty, there is no point of getting a bulky 10-round gun. Sure, some folks will tell you they never have any problems with their 14-rounders, but there are many more who experience the opposite. 3 - No adequate aftermarket support - factory mags (10-rounders) are hard to find. That's the often heard complaint. And, Mec-Gar is not willing to make a 11- or even 12-rounders. The gun would probably be more popular, if there exists a Mec-Gar mag with just a couple of extra rounds to justify its bulkiness. Doesnt need to be that 14-rounder with the giant elephant foot, really. Q | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Btw, I should add that the gun itself is excellent, mechanically/functionally. It's all the other stuff that work against it. Q | |||
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| Member |
I like the 227 enough that I have 3 of them in strategically placed safes for home protection. I like the 45ACP for home defense. 10+1 and a spare mag gives me enough confidence without messing with the 14 round magazines. As 12131 states, the gun itself has been functionally excellent. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
I keep wondering if the fact that the 320 more or less took off about the time the 227 was released had anything to do with it. I don't recall having seen any advertising, and I can't help but wonder if the lack of availability of even the 10-round magazines (for a time) kinda turned off potential buyers. I wonder about the E2 grip as well. I'm not a fan (even though I tolerate it on the 227 in the house), so I'm not sure if it was an issue or its just something that I could've done without given the trigger that was built into the pistol. | |||
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"Member" |
...and 10+ years too late. _____________________________________________________ Sliced bread, the greatest thing since the 1911. | |||
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The Great Equalizer |
I really like my P227. Solving the E2 grips problem was easy for me since I was already waiting on my Hogues. I just used the factory supllied grips until Ken came to our rescue with P227 wood  The 14 round magazines that came in the plastic bags had problems. The newer ones in boxes are working just fine. Now I only had 4 of each for testing and I only had one P227 to run them in so my sample size is small but I have associates with similar experiences. SIG has been open to replacing ones that did not work. Have you asked to have yours swapped out?
Changing the tall plastic base plate lock for one of the flat style like are used in the P226 magazines will increase the magazine capacity by one. I would have bet that you were aware of that mod since it has been around for so long with the P320 guys. I do not find the P227 to be different enough from the P226 and P229 grips sizes to mention I would buy one in 10MM without hesitation ------------------------------------------------------------------ NRA Benefactor . . . Certified Instructor . . . Certified RSO SWCA 356TSW.com 45talk.com RacingPlanetUSA.Com | |||
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ammoholic |
^^^^ I also got lucky. I bought the full size 227, bought the 14 round boxed mags, put in a short reset trigger, changed to Hogue grips, and keep it by my front door, in my main safe. Never had a problem, suits me fine. I did end up with the p320 full size 45 and compact 45 as well. I like the bigger boolets, and the one shot kill....... | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
A bit OT, but has the E2 grip really been a barn burner on the market? At one point I thought SIG was changing over all of the P22Xs to the E2 grips, but that only includes one of several current models of 226 and (to me, tellingly) its never appeared on the vaunted Legion series. | |||
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I wanted one but couldn't afford it, still want one. I think traditional da/sa is taking a back seat to the 320 and 365, which is too bad because I see da/sa making a comeback in my area. Not to mention, if your heart is set on a ten shot 45acp it's hard to pass up all the police trade-in M&Ps out there for $300. DPR | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
The E2 concept was good on paper. Thin as possible, grippy, one piece requiring no screws. In practice, it had big problem. Since it is just a snap on deal with nothing to hold it firmly in place, it squirms around during firing. Big problem to folks. And, since it's very thin and flexible, it loosens over time. No good. I've always said that SIG should make it with the 2 panels using screws. Finally, SIG Germany are putting these "E3" grips on some of their P226s, like their LDC. I bet no more squirming around. I would love to get my hands on these E3, since I really like the gripping surface. Q | |||
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| Big Stack |
Metal framed DA/SA pistols have been losing sales/popularity. .45 ACP is, at best, stable if not declining in sales/popularity. So someone makes a metal framed DA/SA gun in .45, and the people wonder why it doesn't sell that well. | |||
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I thought I'd get one, but couldn't justify buying a new P227 for two more rounds, since the 14 rounders didn't work. If I need 10 rounds of 45 ACP in a SIG, I'll just stick a 10 round magazine in my P220. Plus, I prefer the grip angle of the P220. "Ninja kick the damn rabbit" | |||
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12131 raises some great points about the P227. Lack of Sig support to this model is curious to me, it's basically a flagship P226 that shoots 45. It should also be issued from the factory with Sig logo Hogue G10 grips instead of E2 grips. I just had my two P227s milled for a Romeo 1 and then shipped them over to Robert Burke for carry + QRT work. Loved them before the upgrades, now they are just over the top awesome. The P227 is definitely one of the best shooting 45's out there. In fact Robert Burke unsolicited made the comment to me that he doesn't understand why the P227 isn't more popular because it shoots so smooth for a 45. I have to agree. | |||
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Its still in the catalog (unlike the 239) and they bothered to make an RX one. So I'd say its selling well enough at the commercial level, at least compared to Sig's expectations. I have yet to see a working 14 rounder. I've tried a bunch. I've had PMM mill mine for an RMR and its a pretty darn good gun for almost any use. JB “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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The One True IcePick |
The E2 grips were a stopper for me. I wanted one with the extreme G10 grips. | |||
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| Member |
grips, sights, that's mostly personal. easy enough to add. They let the necessary stuff there. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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| addicted to trailing-throttle oversteer |
A s-l-o-w seller for us. As for myself, I like how it shoots but I prefer the fit of my existing P220s and for capacity my G21 is more than adequate when it comes to 45AUTO. | |||
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