If you get one, I second the Grayguns flat trigger as was mentioned earlier in this thread. Both my P30S and USP Compact have them installed and they are really nice! Wish HK had offered them as an option like that from the get go.

I've got 1 HK, a USP45 I picked up used some years ago. I bought it because it is set up DA/SA for a Left handed person and it came with extra mags and a Milt Sparks holster. It was also like new and two tone finish.

It's really a little too big for concealed carry so it's mostly a range toy for me. The trigger is good and it's been 100% reliable, but I have other .45s I shoot better, including my Sig P220.

I had one experience with HK Customer Service about 10 years ago and it was very positive. I dropped a mag and the zipper welding started to come undone on the back of it. Since these mags cost a lot, I sent it back to HK and they repaired it (re-welded it) and sent it back along with a brand new mag.

Huge HK fan here too.
Own 7 USP's plus a couple other HK's.
I understand some of the criticism of the trigger but in reality it is still decent and a great reason to practice to get used to it.
I did install the match trigger in the full size HK's that did not already have it.
The Elite, Expert and Tactical already deploy the trigger and I quite like it.
Another criticism of the USP is the blocky grip but I add a Houge Handall to all my HK's.
And I did replace the stumpy hammer on my compacts with spur hammers from the FS as I can cock with one in chamber with my thumb on the fly if need be.

Yes HK's are quite satisfying to shoot.


PS I have a GrayGuns short reset kit but haven't decided which one to try it out on.

I used to have more SIGs than HKs. Now I have more HKs than SIGs. Great pistols.

I was a die hard sig fan for a long time but have since gone to the HK pistols. I have small hands and could never reach the controls but with the paddle magazine release i have no problems. I find I am more accurate with the HK'S and I dont see a problem with the triggers. I still carry my P365 faithfully.

I think it is because the heavy standard LEM is too heavy and the USP and USPc are kind of bricks in your hand. LEM in the V2 and V1 variety and TGS too are amazing in the P2000's and P30's.

In the right gun I think it is the perfect SD/HD handgun trigger. Obviously just my opinion.

Yeah, prices are all over the place right now. You just have to be in the right place and time to get a good deal it seems. I have had a few P30 pistols in the past and their trigger pull feels really long/heavy. Of course I am used to striker fired guns and never could get the transition of the da/sa trigger pulls down. I am giving the P30 one more chance, as I will be picking one up tomorrow. The VP9 "B" fits me much better as it doesn't have that "channel/trough" which causes me issues when firing the p30 guns.

I went to a local indoor range that had some HK's for rental and rented their P30. I shot it well, better than my G45. Fewer flyers, and for whatever reason and not like I was just blasting through ammo, but I found it easier to get and keep on target. The trigger wasn't bad at all, but then again, this was a range rental with many thousands of rounds through its, so it was well worn-in. The newer used P30L in the counter had a much stiffer trigger to it.

I liked it. I think I'll move some extra stuff and start keeping an eye out for a good deal on a P30L. I don't see myself selling off my Glocks and Berettas, but I think I liked it enough to where I need to give one an honest try.

They had a standard USP that had a better DA trigger to it that I handled and dry fired but didn't shoot. I also got to mess with a P30SK LEM. The trigger was weird. I had the thought that it honestly wasn't that bad, and then I checked the reset and found that the reset was the full ride all the way back. That kind of sunk it for me. I'm a "ride the reset" shooter, so I don't think LEM is going to do it for me. I could be wrong, and I'd have to shoot one. I swear the video I watched the other night, the guy said the reset was only a few millimeters and I could be wrong about where it reset, but I didn't feel or hear anything until the trigger was all the way forward. I think a V3 is probably the way. I decided not to bother trying out a VP9, as I don't see a lot of sense in trading one European striker-fired polymer 9mm for another one.

I think I'm finding my way back to hammer-fired guns. Started with one 92FS which turned into three which saw the addition of a West German P226 and I shoot them all as well as, or better than my Glocks. I need to get to some classes, I think. There's some wonk in my fundamentals that I'm not seeing.

I love my P30L V3. I installed a Grayguns straight trigger and short reset kit. Made it much better. I highly recommend it.

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I think I'm finding my way back to hammer-fired guns.

And we welcome you back into the light with joy and forgiveness. .

Seriously though. I think you are spot on about the VP9, while it feels great and has a little better trigger than Glock, I think Glocks are the better striker fired gun overall. I am fairly gun/brand agnostic so I don’t say that out of bias just personal observations. Not to say the VP sucks I just prefer Glocks in my strikers.

If you do end up liking/picking up the P30, try the P2000. Think Glock 19 to the P30’s Glock 17/45. Same trigger and decocker mechanism and feels super small.

The P30 is a helluva gun and I think you will enjoy it as another toy in the toy box.

As for LEM it shouldn’t be resetting all the way forward. It’s not like a DA only gun. I do agree however, they just feel weird to me.

Take care and shoot safe.
Chris

The V3 P30 hasn't been a great one for me; I think that's due to my stub for a trigger finger not doing well with the amount of motion in running the gun. The V1 P30 did seem weird when I first shot the type years ago, but I've gotten pretty good with the system though it wouldn't be my first choice for taking to the range. My P30L is built around the V1, and I wouldn't have it any other way even though I don't seem to have a strong desire to shoot it all that much these days. But at the same time I even less desire to shoot the V3, though I will continue to punish myself every so often with my mediocre results with that gun.

As for the VP9: since at my core I'm very much a striker guy, the VP9 hits all of the points that my Glocks generally fall down on, specifically focused around their respective triggers. I don't think striker HKs are as durable or reliable as Glocks, but I enjoy shooting the VP9 a lot, enough so that I bought the longslide [edit]9mm 5"[/edit] version to go with my original 4.1" and my VP40. The factory HK trigger goes beyond anything Glock is capable of prior to the release of their new drop-in performance trigger, which I think is pretty good...if I want a target/recreational Glock. But not so much as I typically use my Glocks in their intended defensive roles.

Admittedly all three of my VPs are more recreationally used than anything else, but if I were to consider any of them for something beyond fun, I'd have no problem choosing any of them for the HD role without any need for modifications beyond perhaps adding a weapon light.

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I just bought my first HK, a VP9B optics ready with the side-button mag release. At the time, I didn't really want to have to "re-learn" the paddle mag release after all these years of reps, but if I get an HK45, I'll have to.

I love the VP9. So much so that I've been carrying it at work lately. I have short, stubby fingers (thanks, dad) and the small grip panels make a great grip even greater.

Only 2 real cons for me with the VP9. The grip ergos are superb, almost as good as an M&P 2.0, but its just too slippery to me. Also, my VP9 is very tightly sprung, and the recoil is more than other 9s, especially my usual Glock 45, but hey, it's a 9mm, so no big deal.

The pros are the grip, good fixed sights, very nice trigger, reliability (100% w/ 200+ rounds of cheap Winchester 115 grain), and the aftermarket is really picking up steam now.

I bought mine for $500 OTD, and got a $150 coupon from HK, which I spent on new mags, plus I got the VP9 "goody box" with another spare mag and lots of VP9 swag. I don't know if this deal is still being offered.

I saw the VP9SK optics ready at SHOT, and it, along with the HK45, are on my short list. I think the HK45 was one of the most reliable handgun torture-tested by the late Todd Louis Green (50,000 rounds of 9 different types over 8 months with only one 1 stoppage and 1 broken trigger return spring).

I thought the P30 made it the longest with Todd. Like 90K+ rounds with not too much to report. I decided to run HK stuff in local competition starting late last year (after a long run of glock and before that sig). I ran about 5K rounds through a P30 (milled for an RMR) before switching to a VP9 (now just crossing 20K rounds) because the P30 V3 trigger didn't excite me, all without any problems of any kind. I'm thinking of swapping the recoil spring on the VP9 before the summer shooting season. I have a lot of different HK's (in fact most of them) and most fit me well, shoot great and would have no trouble if each of them was my only gun. The triggers are all tolerable with the complete exception of the VP70! There has never been a worse trigger than that.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
I thought the P30 made it the longest with Todd. Like 90K+ rounds with not too much to report. I decided to run HK stuff in local competition starting late last year (after a long run of glock and before that sig). I ran about 5K rounds through a P30 (milled for an RMR) before switching to a VP9 (now just crossing 20K rounds) because the P30 V3 trigger didn't excite me, all without any problems of any kind. I'm thinking of swapping the recoil spring on the VP9 before the summer shooting season. I have a lot of different HK's (in fact most of them) and most fit me well, shoot great and would have no trouble if each of them was my only gun. The triggers are all tolerable with the complete exception of the VP70! There has never been a worse trigger than that.

It probably did. I don't remember reading his P30 final report. I'm not sure why I didn't.
Thanks. I'll check it out.

Which recoil spring setup would you use in your VP9?

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Originally posted by monoblok:
The V3 P30 hasn't been a great one for me; I think that's due to my stub for a trigger finger not doing well with the amount of motion in running the gun. The V1 P30 did seem weird when I first shot the type years ago, but I've gotten pretty good with the system though it wouldn't be my first choice for taking to the range. My P30L is built around the V1, and I wouldn't have it any other way even though I don't seem to have a strong desire to shoot it all that much these days. But at the same time I even less desire to shoot the V3, though I will continue to punish myself every so often with my mediocre results with that gun.

As for the VP9: since at my core I'm very much a striker guy, the VP9 hits all of the points that my Glocks generally fall down on, specifically focused around their respective triggers. I don't think striker HKs are as durable or reliable as Glocks, but I enjoy shooting the VP9 a lot, enough so that I bought the longslide [edit]9mm 5"[/edit] version to go with my original 4.1" and my VP40. The factory HK trigger goes beyond anything Glock is capable of prior to the release of their new drop-in performance trigger, which I think is pretty good...if I want a target/recreational Glock. But not so much as I typically use my Glocks in their intended defensive roles.

Admittedly all three of my VPs are more recreationally used than anything else, but if I were to consider any of them for something beyond fun, I'd have no problem choosing any of them for the HD role without any need for modifications beyond perhaps adding a weapon light.

Thank you, I was fixing to ask about that barrel length.

All the different V trigger types are confusing for me. I like various full size H&Ks and the S models are what Id prefer. Ive only ever owned 1 H&K, the USP Expert and as I line up what model I will buy, I have a internal war going on between H&K and a nice Beretta. Ive never owned or fired a Beretta.

Long time HK Owner/user. Back in the day when IDPA started, I was running a HK USPc while everyone was rocking out with their Glock out. Pft…

I’ve currently got a USPc 9mm with gray flat trigger. I love that gun, but the trigger feels heavier with the flat trigger than the stock trigger. I have a 10lb Wolff hammer strut spring in the gun, maybe it’s just the feel of the flat trigger. Looking for a LEM kit for the USP. Love being able to change it out at will from v1 to LEM on the USP

I also have the SP5k and just bought a VP9SK LE Optic ready. I need to get used to the VP for sure. Grip feels great in the hand when not shooting, but lacks in aggressive grip texture for me. Kinda regretting not getting the P2000 instead of the VP9. I’ll need to give it time and let it grow on me.

Still prefer the P365XMacro or P320VTAC.

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Originally posted by hrcjon:
I thought the P30 made it the longest with Todd. Like 90K+ rounds with not too much to report. I decided to run HK stuff in local competition starting late last year (after a long run of glock and before that sig). I ran about 5K rounds through a P30 (milled for an RMR) before switching to a VP9 (now just crossing 20K rounds) because the P30 V3 trigger didn't excite me, all without any problems of any kind. I'm thinking of swapping the recoil spring on the VP9 before the summer shooting season. I have a lot of different HK's (in fact most of them) and most fit me well, shoot great and would have no trouble if each of them was my only gun. The triggers are all tolerable with the complete exception of the VP70! There has never been a worse trigger than that.

Do you shoot USPSA and make youtube vids?

HK fan here as well.

Started with a PSP years ago that I then sold to buy a P7M8.

Then I got a VP9 about the same time the P320’s came out. Between VP9 and P320, I decided I was done with Glocks.

Eventually decided I wanted more hammer fired guns and less striker fired so sold the VP9 and bought a P30SK. Then a P30L, and most recently an HK 45. Now jonesing for a 45 compact.

CDNN has HK’s in stock right now for decent prices. As others noted, prices seem to go up and down, $698 new for the HK 45 or compact. VP9’s starting at $599

If I bought a VP9 it would be because of mag compatibility with the P30.

I love my P30 LEM V1 I believe. That being said the P2000 (and of course the SK) Carry so much better.