Based on the P7 several other variants were built: the P7PT8,"P7M8", P7M13, P7K3, P7M10 and the P7M7, none of which remain in production. Production of the "P7" heel release design ended in 1997 with the KH date coded pistol marked "P7" on the Grip and "PSP" on the slide.
The P7PT8 is a dedicated, straight blowback training pistol modified for use with the 9×19mm PT training cartridge (made by Geco) with a plastic bullet (weighing 0.42 g).[11] A "floating chamber" adapter is used inside the barrel which enhances felt recoil for use with the special ammunition. The pistols were marked with blue dots on both sides of the slide to differentiate the P7PT8 from other P7 pistols that can chamber lethal ammunition.[11] To date about 200 pistols of this type were produced that are used mainly for simulated firing in enclosed spaces.
The P7M8 is the P7's counterpart with larger trigger guard, lengthened trigger, heat shield, thumb operated magazine release, larger rear sight dovetail, protruding firing pin bushing and lanyard ring. Production began in 1983 and continued until 2007. A final production run of 500 P7M8 pistols were produced under the AH date code (year 2007).[12] Each is marked on the right side of the slide with X of 500. Other than the slide marking no other features nor accessories were added to the usual kit. To commemorate 25 years of P7 production, H&K offered a limited run of P7M8 "Jubilee" edition. Only 500 examples were ever made. Included in the package were a wooden lockable presentation case, P7 challenge coin, and special markings. The slide's top-left radiused edge has the designer's name (Helmut Weldle) and "1 von 500" (German, and including the double quotes; it translates to "1 of 500" in English) etched onto its surface. The wooden grips were made by Karl Nills and had the H&K logo.
The P7M13 is the P7’s counterpart with a double-column magazine and a 13-round capacity.[13] This pistol was offered (unsuccessfully) to the US Army. A variant known as the P7M13SD was produced in limited numbers exclusively for German special forces, featuring a longer (compared to the P7M13) threaded barrel and a sound suppressor.[13]
The P7K3 is a shortened version of the P7 (inspired by the HK4 pistol) that uses straight blowback for operation. This version has a removable barrel and uses a sealed hydraulic recoil buffer in place of a gas cylinder.[14] After swapping out the barrel and magazine it can use .380 ACP (9×17mm Short) or .32 ACP (7.65×17mm Browning SR) pistol cartridges and after replacing the slide, magazine and barrel (with floating chamber insert)—it can also be used to fire .22 LR (5.6mm Long Rifle) ammunition.[14] The hydraulic recoil buffer of the P7K3 is prone to wear and causes a serious problem to operate the gun when it is worn down. Heckler & Koch does not make a replacement part for the buffer. However, there are some commercial buffers available. When the .22 LR slide and barrel are installed, the buffer is not engaged. The slide of the .22 LR has an opening at the front that allows the buffer to be unused when firing the gun. Heckler & Koch provides a special scraper tool for the .22 LR-barrel. The tool is needed to clean the inside of the floating chamber for save operation. An additional exchange tool is provided for all calibers to screw and unscrew the barrel nut that attaches the barrel to the frame. Both tools can be seen in one of the pictures of the P7K3 on this page. P7K3's are more rare in the U.S. than in Europe and are valued at higher prices especially when they are in good condition.
The P7M10 was introduced to the American market in 1991.[1] It is chambered for the .40 S&W (10×22mm Smith & Wesson) round and has a double-stack 10-round magazine.[15] With the American market in mind, a variant known as the P7M7 designed to use the .45 ACP (11.43×23mm Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge was also created. However, it remained only a prototype due to excessive costs and complexity of creating such a weapon.[16]
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Posts: 10651 | Location: Marietta, GA | Registered: February 10, 2009
P7 has a heel mag release and a smaller trigger guard. The M8 has an ambi paddle Mag release, larger trigger guard with a heat shield. The M8 is generally more sought after as the market was flooded with P7 police trade in's from Germany in the mid 2000's.
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M8 has a small heat shield in trigger guard and uses HK paddle style mag release. P7 has no heat shield and uses a European heel release. M8 is generally more desirable. Police trade P7s sort of flooded the market years ago.
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Posts: 8014 | Location: On the water | Registered: July 25, 2002
I would love to get another but not with the prices they are now. I had a Chantilly P7M8 years ago that I could not shoot well,no fault of the gun, I just couldn't get used to the set up. It seems not long ago the P7 flooded the market with used guns that were only a few hundred dollars, if memory serves and then it seems overnight, the prices hit the roof and kept going. They are nice pistols.
I've had both versions. Both excellent pistols IMHO. More desireable? I guess it's just just personal preference. I bought a new P7M8 back in the '80s and prefer it because of the mag release and heat shield. My earlier P7 would start to get real warm after a couple of magazines fired.
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Posts: 1588 | Location: Under the Tonto Rim | Registered: August 18, 2003
Im with Rock on this one. Ive owned both but sold the P7 as I feel the newer model is far superior. They are both very accurate pistols, with their fixed barrels. The heat shield in the M8 doesnt much help when running through mags quickly. Either way you cant go wrong.
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Posts: 7526 | Location: Stuck in NY, FUAC | Registered: November 22, 2005
Here’s both of them. P7M8 (Top) and P7 PSP (Bottom). You can see the difference in the trigger guards. If you look closely at the M8, you can see the heat shield at the top of the trigger guard and the small mag release paddle directly above the squeeze cocker.
They’re both terrific guns and fun to shoot. As others have said, you probably want to let them cool off if you shoot a few quick mags in succession. Of note, I added the homemade Talon grips to the PSP (they’ll sell you the material) and I had Grayguns install the new sights.
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Still not a bad deal in contemporary times if you can get the guy to move a little on his price, and am getting a few mags, and original packaging. They have escalated big time in price over the last 5 yrs or so.
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Posts: 7526 | Location: Stuck in NY, FUAC | Registered: November 22, 2005
Tooky - I like the talon grip material on your P7! I may have to try that! Did they just sell you a sheet and you cut it?
LincolnSixEcho - I've had both and I like the regular P7 for conceal carry due to the heel mag release. If you're not going to jump on that P7 send me a message if you don't mind with the contact info, I wouldn't mind adding one to the safe!!
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Posts: 230 | Location: Virginia Beach | Registered: March 01, 2011
Originally posted by MushroomPrint: Tooky - I like the talon grip material on your P7! I may have to try that! Did they just sell you a sheet and you cut it?
Yes, they'll sell you sheets (5" x 7") of either the rubber or sandpaper texture and you can make your own pattern.
We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln
I got both and prefer the P7. My P7M8's launch the mag. Which is good, but the mag release is pretty big and stands out. I always worry that it will get hit inadvertently. Never happened before but the "advantages" of the M8 are kind of lost on me anyway. Don't shoot a bunch of mags in a row, swap out the striker assembly for the M8 tool less variety, learn to use a heel release, save about 500 bucks and go with the P7.
That is one pristine P7 Para.
Posts: 7540 | Location: Florida | Registered: June 18, 2005
Tooky13, thanks for the comparison pics those help a lot. Gosh I almost like the standard P7 looks a bit better. Para's photos are pretty convincing too. Ima have to think on this some more.
