I don’t really have an opinion on the question at hand, but are there any other Bomb techs or EOD techs that saw this thread and wondered why someone was asking about ordnance in the pistol forum? Sorry for the distraction but thank you for allowing me a chuckle.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
Posts: 5578 | Location: Upstate NY | Registered: February 28, 2002
I suppose it makes someone somewhere happy. You bring up a good point on the P99 but outside of a DA/SA decocking striker, I cannot really see the value.
Posts: 3044 | Location: Pnw | Registered: March 21, 2009
Originally posted by KSGM: Title clarified, to avoid potential confusion with ordnance.
I know that the written word doesn’t always convey meaning as well as the spoken word, but to be clear I don’t want you to think that my comment was meant in any negative way. I actually meant it as a bit of self deprecating humor. Kind of thinking only weirdos like me that liked to play with bombs would think about military ordnance after hearing “cocked striker” in a pistol forum. Hope you didn’t think I was being a jerk KSGM.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
Posts: 5578 | Location: Upstate NY | Registered: February 28, 2002
Not at all, CHEG. I try to make my posts to-the-point, so avoiding potential for confusion is important to me. I appreciate your comment, as it helped me refine the title. And I had a chuckle too (though I know nothing about a cocked striker in the context of ordnance; I take you at your word that it's a thing).
Posts: 2157 | Location: Northeast GA | Registered: February 15, 2021
Like the LCI thread, I don't like that it adds a hole where there otherwise wouldn't be a hole, and sometimes an additional part that's connected to the inner workings of the gun. I don't think it's likely to cause a problem, but I'm not likely to get any utility out of it, either, at least not in actually shooting and carrying the gun.
The biggest advantage I could see as an armorer is that when troubleshooting a problematic gun it would make it easy to observe the condition of the striker at various points in the cycle of operations.
Posts: 8573 | Location: In the Cornfields | Registered: May 25, 2006
I would almost bet that some risk management or product liability attorney told the manufacturer that not having the indicator—-even if it had no real function—-would increase their exposure in case of a lawsuit in front of a jury.
I suppose it could act like an easily seen LCI, reminding the person that, "Hey dummy, you forgot to chamber a round after you locked that loaded mag in the gun." :shrug:
-MG
Posts: 1993 | Location: The commie, rainy side of WA | Registered: April 19, 2020
monoblok, I hadn't thought of it that way. The LCI is raised up on the 320 and 365 when there's a round in the chamber, so you could feel it in the dark. Damn! I forgot to rack the slide!
_________________________ “ What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.”— Lord Melbourne
Posts: 18069 | Location: One hop from Paradise | Registered: July 27, 2004
My impression is that this actually dates back to the turn of the 20th century leading up to WWI. At that time semi automatic pistols were in their relative infancy and so were Ordinance Boards considering adopting these new fangled guns. The 1911 originally was started with the Colt model 1900 and it took 10 years to evolve into a pistol that is still very popular today. Back around 1907 the US Ordinance Board decided a loaded chamber indicator was essential so Colt put one on the 1907 trials gun. That didn't last very long because it had a tendency to work the retaining pin loose and then disappear. Meanwhile in Europe some countries wanted a cocking indicator on the Luger. Then there was another country who insisted a Cocked indicator was essential on hammer fired semi's and at one point that made it into the US trials requirements. Yeah, some idiot wanted a Cocked flag to indicate the hammer was back on a 1911 predecessor. Fortunately that didn't happen because Colt kept on pointing out that cocked hammer was also a flag showing the pistol was cocked.
So some manufactures today will provide a cocked indicator on their striker fired pistols. That doesn't bother me a bit. Because I was taught at 10 years old that every gun is loaded and ready to fire. The only guns that are not loaded are the ones where I have looked in the chamber and confirmed that it was empty with nothing in the magazine well.
Finally I consider striker indicators a complete waste of money or parts. Because when you think about it any pistol with a loaded chamber will be in a ready to Fire condition. I don't think that it's even possible to "uncock" a Striker with live ammunition so what is the point? A simple press check will reveal if there is a round in the chamberThis message has been edited. Last edited by: Scooter123,
I've stopped counting.
Posts: 5647 | Location: Michigan | Registered: November 07, 2008
