While I only have a sample of one, if this thing is as well built as the upgraded Hi Power clone I had, this is going to be a game changer. Unlike Springfield, mine worked 100% with better fit and finish (but heavy trigger). A base model of $999 finally gets rid of the Rock Island people pretending their boat anchor is a 2011. The magazines on EAA's website are Checkmate OEM magazines for $50. Hopefully we can get more market disruption AND get some magazines made for .45 and 10mm (which is also choking 2011s in anything but 9mm).

I guess next year is going to be the Year of 2011, although EAA probably won't be able to call it 2311 because while researching this, I did find a link for the Oracle Arms being granted a trademark for the term 2311.

Screw it, call it a 2411 and be centuries ahead of the competition. I am mildly surprised that a number can be trademarked.

I was close to buying a Staccato last year but balked at the price. My interest in a 2011 isn't high but I like the looks of this better than the Prodigy.

Speaking of the Prodigy, has anybody been noticing how every time Springfield comes out with something new lately, Girsan comes out with something similar at about the same time? First the Hi-Power, and now this. It makes one wonder if SAI is sourcing their stuff from the same place and just slapping their rollmark and a bigger markup on it.

That's how the XD came to be (originally known in Croatia as the HS2000), and the "new" Hellion has been around for a while as the VHS-2. There's a pattern there for sure...and if that's actually what's happening here, why not spend $500-$700 less for the Girsan and get the same thing?

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
There's a pattern there for sure...

Going back further, Springfield was doing the same in the 1980s/1990s with stuff like their SAR-3 (Greek-made HK 91 clone) and SAR-48 (Brazilian-made FAL clone).

In this case, I don't think so. While Springfield loves importing other people's guns and putting their label on it, they are using US Steel and I really doubt Girsan is buying our steel and sending it to Turkey.

Girsan is just expanding. They're also making a version of the Beretta 92, Bersa Thunder, and either the Walther PPQ or S&W M&P.

Cool!

I have a 6" 10mm and wonder how this compares.

I like the direction Girsan is taking by expanding the 2011 platform to the masses.

I got a little excited over 10mm, but then I realized they meant 40S&W and not 10mm [x25mm] Auto.

^^^
Yeah, I was thinking that was how they delineated round count.

The other listing was 45 ACP, so the 10mm round should dimensionally work.

Wondering about the 4 different lengths as well.

Turkish innovation

Maybe a silly question, but how the hell is it a 2011, if it doesn’t take 2011 magazines?

It takes Checkmate's 2011 magazine.

Checkmate's 2011 mag fits the Staccato and Prodigy so far.

Checkmate is the OEM for Staccato. EAA already has 17 round 126mm magazines for sale at $50 each.

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Originally posted by iron chef:
I got a little excited over 10mm, but then I realized they meant 40S&W and not 10mm [x25mm] Auto.

They said both 10mm and .40. The magazines just hold the same amount.

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Originally posted by Chowser:
It takes Checkmate's 2011 magazine.

Checkmate's 2011 mag fits the Staccato and Prodigy so far.

Very cool

So is it quality guts?

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Originally posted by kozaric:
So is it quality guts?

Yes, inside just like Staccato... Staccato guts. All internal gun parts are made in same place. You look inside the Girsan, it's Staccato guts.

Look, you want to be fancy big shot? Then pay $3000 for Staccato name. You want to be smart shopper? Then you buy Girsan for $999; shoots exactly same as Staccato, because Staccato guts. Only difference is price.

The price you see is the price. Don't haggle me. You haggle me, you waste my time. You look, you like. You like, you buy. OK? $999, I give you last one in stock at that price. You don't buy, I keep it for myself.

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Originally posted by CQB60:
Turkish innovation

'Innovation' isn't what I'd call it. Opportunism would be a more accurate description.

I'd like to see a company like them clone the Wilson EDC X9, and bring it in at around $1K. I think that would sell in bug numbers, at least for the 1911 market.

The Oracle might be as close as you will get to that. P320 magazines.

https://soldiersystems.net/202...23/oracle-arms-2311/