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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I don't think SIG shares those numbers and there's no way to guess.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
P320's in civilian ownership: A whole bunch
P320's in LE ownership: Comparatively small


Exact figures are not going to be available. Not even ballparks. But I can attempt a very rough guesstimate:

Assumption #1: We know Sig hit 1 million P320s produced in early 2020, and Sig has continued producing P320s at full tilt since then, so the total number is probably sitting at around 1.5 to 2 million or so. Split the difference and call it 1.75 million.

Assumption #2: There's still a relatively small number of law enforcement agencies that have adopted the P320, so that would likely only account for several tens of thousands. Call it 50k for simplicity (and that's likely generous).

Assumption #3: The half a million P320s ordered by all the military branches have all been produced and delivered. (We know this isn't the case, but I'll go with it for simplicity's sake.)

That yields an extremely rough guesstimate of:
Law enforcement: 50,000
Military: 500,000
Civilian: 1,200,000

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
I'm thinking AT LEAST double that number, if not more P320s in LE hands.

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Originally posted by sig2392:
Government contracts are public.

Sig/P320 won the contract.

the Defense Department can buy up to nearly 500,000 new pistols.

Current plans call for the Army to purchase more than 280,000 handguns, according to Program Executive Office Soldier officials. The Army also plans to buy approximately 7,000 sub-compact versions of the handgun.

The other military services participating in the program may order an additional 212,000 systems above the Army quantity.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

quote:

Originally posted by RogueJSK:
P320's in civilian ownership: A whole bunch
P320's in LE ownership: Comparatively small


Exact figures are not going to be available. Not even ballparks. But I can attempt a very rough guesstimate:

Assumption #1: We know Sig hit 1 million P320s produced in early 2020, and Sig has continued producing P320s at full tilt since then, so the total number is probably sitting at around 1.5 to 2 million or so. Split the difference and call it 1.75 million.

Assumption #2: There's still a relatively small number of law enforcement agencies that have adopted the P320, so that would likely only account for several tens of thousands. Call it 50k for simplicity (and that's likely generous).

Assumption #3: The half a million P320s ordered by all the military branches have all been produced and delivered. (We know this isn't the case, but I'll go with it for simplicity's sake.)

That yields an extremely rough guesstimate of:
Law enforcement: 50,000
Military: 500,000
Civilian: 1,200,000

I question Assumption #2...I'm thinking AT LEAST double that number, if not more P320s in LE hands. It may be a relatively small number of agencies in your neck of the woods, but there's a ton of agencies in New England that carry the P320.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
P320's in civilian ownership: A whole bunch
P320's in LE ownership: Comparatively small


Exact figures are not going to be available. Not even ballparks. But I can attempt a very rough guesstimate:

Assumption #1: We know Sig hit 1 million P320s produced in early 2020, and Sig has continued producing P320s at full tilt since then, so the total number is probably sitting at around 1.5 to 2 million or so. Split the difference and call it 1.75 million.

Assumption #2: There's still a relatively small number of law enforcement agencies that have adopted the P320, so that would likely only account for several tens of thousands. Call it 50k for simplicity (and that's likely generous).

Assumption #3: The half a million P320s ordered by all the military branches have all been produced and delivered. (We know this isn't the case, but I'll go with it for simplicity's sake.)

That yields an extremely rough guesstimate of:
Law enforcement: 50,000
Military: 500,000
Civilian: 1,200,000

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I don't think SIG shares those numbers and there's no way to guess.

You just aren't guessing hard enough.

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Originally posted by 357fuzz:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
P320's in civilian ownership: A whole bunch
P320's in LE ownership: Comparatively small


Exact figures are not going to be available. Not even ballparks. But I can attempt a very rough guesstimate:

Assumption #1: We know Sig hit 1 million P320s produced in early 2020, and Sig has continued producing P320s at full tilt since then, so the total number is probably sitting at around 1.5 to 2 million or so. Split the difference and call it 1.75 million.

Assumption #2: There's still a relatively small number of law enforcement agencies that have adopted the P320, so that would likely only account for several tens of thousands. Call it 50k for simplicity (and that's likely generous).

Assumption #3: The half a million P320s ordered by all the military branches have all been produced and delivered. (We know this isn't the case, but I'll go with it for simplicity's sake.)

That yields an extremely rough guesstimate of:
Law enforcement: 50,000
Military: 500,000
Civilian: 1,200,000

I question Assumption #2...I'm thinking AT LEAST double that number, if not more P320s in LE hands. It may be a relatively small number of agencies in your neck of the woods, but there's a ton of agencies in New England that carry the P320.

I see quite a few in the hands of west coast cops as well. Doesn’t Texas DPS issue them? There would be quite a few P320’s right there. I know of several agencies where they are on the approved list.

I know this is a different Sig platform and I don’t mean to thread drift but, I see a number of NE agencies buying or authorizing the Sig M400 rifle. NSP just bought at least 400 of them. My department has a T&E day w/ Sig to see of a possible trade in of our Colt’s.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
I think some of your assumptions are off. Look at the Wikipedia page for the P320. It's interesting. It has at least a partial list of institutional users, including military and police organizations.

A few militaries have adopted it, starting with the US, and including Canada, Australia and some smaller ones. It seems to be doing well in the international police market, including some national police forces. Domestically several major federal, state, and municipal police forces have adopted it. These include ICE, Dallas PD, Chicago PD, Tampa PD, Milwaukee PD, State Police in NV, DE, HI, OK, and VA. Add a good number of county Sheriff's departments. This adds up to a lot of guns. I'd say the institutional market is probably pushing million unit if it hasn't cracked it already.

You just aren't guessing hard enough.