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Originally posted by am94pm:
Mark Novak just posted a video on the 320. It's about 15 minutes long. He shows the mechanics and basically says he doesn't believe that they discharge on their own.

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I like this guy. He's no-nonsense and direct to the point.
And he's a highly competent gunsmith.

As these experts weigh in on the P320, the P320 un-commanded discharge crowd is increasingly isolated on their "hill".

Beating a dead horse again but there never was a "hill". There were a bunch of ND's that the internet and the perpetrators were more than happy to manufacture "facts" to back up their position which was "they just go off". Never mind that no one can actually make that happen even with the subject guns.

They don't have the safety margins of most striker fired guns. Striker fired guns don't have the safety margin of double action guns. Double action guns don't have the safety margin of double action revolvers. Pick your acceptable margin, be safe, and prosper.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Pick your acceptable margin, be safe, and prosper.

Preach it, Brother!

And as a separate, unrelated comment, whenever I see a gun owner complain that a gun’s trigger is too easy to pull to fire the gun, I’m reminded by something that used to surface from time to time, especially some years ago: “I killed my wife by accident because the gun had a ‘hair trigger,’ and was therefore unsafe. Not only am I not guilty of anything, the gun manufacturer should pay me ten million dollars, the company should be put out of business, and the CEO should be hanged from the nearest tree.” (“Hair trigger” meaning, of course, that it didn’t take two men and a mule to pull it.)

It’s interesting to see how the same old wine gets poured out of new bottles when someone else needs an excuse.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Beating a dead horse again but there never was a "hill". There were a bunch of ND's that the internet and the perpetrators were more than happy to manufacture "facts" to back up their position which was "they just go off". Never mind that no one can actually make that happen even with the subject guns.

They don't have the safety margins of most striker fired guns. Striker fired guns don't have the safety margin of double action guns. Double action guns don't have the safety margin of double action revolvers. Pick your acceptable margin, be safe, and prosper.

Oh, there is a hill alright.
And the anti-p320 jihadists/SIG haters are on it.
It's an unfortunate rift in the 2A community.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Pick your acceptable margin, be safe, and prosper.

Well said. Know your platform, decide if or how you're comfortable carrying it, and then go do you.

If/until an actual defect is demonstrated (which I think would almost certainly have happened long ago if there was one, given the amount of scrutiny the gun has been subjected to at this point), it simply comes down to "don't pull the trigger." The trigger is easy to pull. If you're uncomfortable with that change your carry method or carry something else.

Direct drive. Semantics I suppose. Sure there is a “hill” if you intellectually allow someone to completely manufacture a position based on lies, false narratives, and bullshit.

The hill these people have decided to die on doesn’t exist except in their minds.

I am so tired of the internet and its ability to produce an aggrieved class who are so intellectually lazy that not only will they buy into the nonsense but also refuse to acknowledge they were duped.

We are seeing that on this very thread.

“Most men … can seldom accept the simplest and most obvious truth if it … would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions … which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabrics of their lives.”
— Leo Tolstoy

And if it weren't for this contentious internet there would be a lot of empty soap boxes and pulpits, including my own.

Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/...26476?feature=random

“No injuries were reported after a Charlottetown police officer's service handgun went off on Thursday morning — while still in the holster.
It happened as the on-duty officer was getting out of his police vehicle near the Provincial Correctional Centre in Milton Station.”

Doesn’t specify the gun. Wiki shows Charlottetown to be one of two agencies in Canada that carry the P320 though.

^^ Canaduh

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6892255

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...the investigation will focus on the weapon, and there was no negligence.

Perhaps they should look into how the trigger was pulled...

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Originally posted by Sgt 127:
Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/...26476?feature=random
It happened as the on-duty officer was getting out of his police vehicle near the Provincial Correctional Centre in Milton Station.”

"Still in da holsta bitch...Shiet...Mutha Fucka...that strap got to be a p320"
— LeRoy Browntoy.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
Know your platform, decide if or how you're comfortable carrying it, and then go do you.

If/until an actual defect is demonstrated (which I think would almost certainly have happened long ago if there was one, given the amount of scrutiny the gun has been subjected to at this point), it simply comes down to "don't pull the trigger." The trigger is easy to pull. If you're uncomfortable with that change your carry method or carry something else.

Yup. I'm going to review my holsters carefully, and replace whatever doesn't clearly protect the trigger. I've carried several different Sigs, including the P320, in a fanny pack for many years. It is my favorite around town ccw method, so the soft inner pouch will be replaced with a P320 specific kydex holster.

For me, the P320 is a better ccw than the P229. Until anything provable is found (aside from wrong and broken parts installed), I'll mitigate the risks of the striker fired platform and carry on.

Not so much a hill maybe, rather more a grassy knoll.

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I have embraced the striker gun (many Glocks thanks to SF) system. To ensure safety, I have pretty much retired my leather holsters. Kydex only for strikers now. And I watch carefully when holstering. As the gun comes off my belt, a Kydex trigger guard sheath gets snapped into place before I put it down. In bags or packs, the trigger guard sheath is left in place and 550 corded to a fixed point which will snap off the cover on the draw. If the pack or bag has a velcro liner, then a Crossbreed velcro backed holster is attached to the liner. I see these precautions as a requirement for carrying a striker gun. YMMV.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
As the gun comes off my belt, a Kydex trigger guard sheath gets snapped into place before I put it down. In bags or packs, the trigger guard sheath is left in place and 550 corded to a fixed point which will snap off the cover on the draw. If the pack or bag has a velcro liner, then a Crossbreed velcro backed holster is attached to the liner. I see these precautions as a requirement for carrying a striker gun. YMMV.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of the trigger guard cover. Is there one you particular like or dislike for the P320?

The Crossbreed velcro backed holster is the only such one I've found online so far. My original plan was to attach velcro to a plain kydex holster, but the Crossbreed has already done it.

I get my trigger guard sheaths (or covers) from PJ Holsters. $24. That said, Etsy and Ebay are sources for them for around $15. And the Crossbreed Velcro holster is very good, but it takes awhile to get them.

When I picked up my transfer at the LGS today, I noticed they had a couple of P320s in the case.
They were dolled up fancy versions with pretty high prices.

As to the topic of the last few posts;
I keep a Glock trigger guard in my pickup console safe.
Bought it on Amazon years ago.
I rarely keep a firearm in that console, unless we're on a long trip.

My agency has decided to move away from the P320, and scuttlebutt is we’re going S&W M&P 2.0. We’ve had a couple ND/AD/UDs but neither were positively attributed to the firearm and believe it was just handled in-house. No injuries or lawsuit I’m aware of.

An unintentional discharge with a P320 was, ipso facto, the fault of the gun.
An unintentional discharge with any other firearm was the fault of the gun handler.
Nothing more needs to be known or said.